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# 1 MR, STC, Teleport: I understood.
10-20-2009, 11:39 AM
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I just realised too many people doesnt actually do PvP below level 31.
DPS is so low at lower tier. People lack holds, travel disablers, control options.
STC is way to much damage compared to what 150ish superstated other powers can do.
Noone has hold or KB res. Its just a world of exploiting.

Low level PvP is even less balanced, dull and boring. And I'm afraid most whiners did not even try to actually level up.
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10-20-2009, 11:46 AM
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I just realised too many people doesnt actually do PvP below level 31.
DPS is so low at lower tier. People lack holds, travel disablers, control options.
STC is way to much damage compared to what 150ish superstated other powers can do.
Noone has hold or KB res. Its just a world of exploiting.

Low level PvP is even less balanced, dull and boring. And I'm afraid most whiners did not even try to actually level up.
Interesting... this seems to be directly opposite of the current trend that T4 sucks and T1-2 are the fun areas.
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10-20-2009, 12:05 PM
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Low level PvP is even less balanced, dull and boring. And I'm afraid most whiners did not even try to actually level up.
Maybe because at that level everyone has the same powers be it a themed built toon or not? So many extra power slots that you gotta fall inline with what makes you competitive, even if it's resorting to broke powers. That or you wouldn't even que up. And be honest. You don't hit the pvp button que unless you have them or you just want a good laugh.
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10-20-2009, 01:46 PM
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DPS is so low at lower tier. People lack holds, travel disablers, control options.
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Noone has hold or KB res. Its just a world of exploiting.
You kinda contradicted yourself..
In tier2-3 people that are making PvP builds usually get the bulk of thier powers they need by t-3 CC is pretty much mandatory for pvp builds both ranged and melee
As far as exploiting goes- MR, is a exploitable,broken power we know
STC is OP
thier is a diffrence.

P.S. As far as getting out of holds faster you should consider taking one or two energy forms or taking defensive powers that can be used while your held.
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10-20-2009, 02:27 PM
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Interesting... this seems to be directly opposite of the current trend that T4 sucks and T1-2 are the fun areas.
That "trend" is flat out wrong. Well, except for t4 being bad. But that's only because everyone has everything at T4.

Playing in T1 and T2 is like playing rock-paper-scissors, without the scissors. You simply don't have enough powers to fill up the gaps in your build, or to have a counter for the most popular tactics. People get around this a bit by picking up workhorse powers like regen (defense and a heal all in one), and end up dominating those without. This is why people "in the know" hate the idea of an /exp off feature. EXP is necessary to flush this kind of thing out of the low level arenas so others have a chance.

It's really not until T3 where the gaps start getting covered. Of course, T3 is soon going to be dominated by bugged and overpowered abilities just like T4 is, so that is kind of a moot point.
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10-21-2009, 12:39 AM
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I am not sure, tho not surprised, you guys understood what I said.

T4 has his share of MR abusers, STC spammer and Teleport freaks.
What I'm saying is that buged/OP abilities are EVEN more powerfull at lower tier.

Noone has the dps to shut an MR spammer down. Almost noone has the dps/CC combo to trash a teleporter down.
It makes games way longer and way lamer.

The number of power is also diferent. When you bring up STC, MR, Lash, any enrage thing, Unbreakable and Invul... whats left? At least level 40 FoTM have a "color". Are they PA? Ego/Col Will basters? EBB? Might? Gadgeteers? Fire?
Asides from the "Must have to pwn j00 lolol" powers there is actually a choice. A choice you hardly have a 30ies.

I leaves at T2/3 only the pretadors, complete clones and unable to even kill each other, and the victims.
What is in my opinion the paroxism of PvP lack of balance.
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10-21-2009, 12:59 AM
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I am not sure, tho not surprised, you guys understood what I said.

T4 has his share of MR abusers, STC spammer and Teleport freaks.
What I'm saying is that buged/OP abilities are EVEN more powerfull at lower tier.

Noone has the dps to shut an MR spammer down. Almost noone has the dps/CC combo to trash a teleporter down.
It makes games way longer and way lamer.
T2 has plenty of travel removers and CC. And not as much MR as T3 and 4. Which is why I like T2 the best. And I kill teleporters all the time in T1 and T2, with a verity of builds.

The one real sucky thing is lack of KB resist gear. Lash does own in the lower tiers.
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10-21-2009, 01:48 AM
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The clones are in all the brackets.

T4, sure there is a little more "variety", but the variety is just unnecessary fluff on top of your MR, STC, Electrocute and perma knockback powers.
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10-21-2009, 04:48 AM
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MR is flat out broken, very little you can do to overcome it.

STC is stupid easy mode. Yes it is effective vs regen or high defense folk, but fact is its too easy and even more effective against people without op defenses. Its a one click activation that needs no thought or "skill". I've used it and specced out of it, its just too easy. Yes it can be countered, and I have survived it many times, but its still broken.

TP is just annoying, it can also be countered relativley easily but its still seen as cheap and cowardly. End of the day tho, forcing someone to TP away is as good as a win in games where teamwork is actually being observed. I dont mind TP'ers so much, can be frustrating at times, but if they are TPing they cant do damage giving your team time to work over the rest. Unless of course they have STC

MR will get fixed eventually as its pretty much a given its broken, STC im not so sure about, I can see it staying as is, and if so it will be a MUST HAVE pvp power as long as everyone is using it, then it could be seen as "fair". Preferably it would have its %age reduced to 25/30% as 55% is just stupid ridiculous.

TP is just annoying, but it is also a self defeating power. We cant attack you, but then you cant attack us. So I dont see it as OP. You dont win matches by running away.

And no, i dont use MR, TP or STC (anymore at least, just too easy).
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10-21-2009, 08:43 AM
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MR is flat out broken, very little you can do to overcome it.

STC is stupid easy mode. Yes it is effective vs regen or high defense folk, but fact is its too easy and even more effective against people without op defenses. Its a one click activation that needs no thought or "skill". I've used it and specced out of it, its just too easy. Yes it can be countered, and I have survived it many times, but its still broken.

TP is just annoying, it can also be countered relativley easily but its still seen as cheap and cowardly. End of the day tho, forcing someone to TP away is as good as a win in games where teamwork is actually being observed. I dont mind TP'ers so much, can be frustrating at times, but if they are TPing they cant do damage giving your team time to work over the rest. Unless of course they have STC

MR will get fixed eventually as its pretty much a given its broken, STC im not so sure about, I can see it staying as is, and if so it will be a MUST HAVE pvp power as long as everyone is using it, then it could be seen as "fair". Preferably it would have its %age reduced to 25/30% as 55% is just stupid ridiculous.

TP is just annoying, but it is also a self defeating power. We cant attack you, but then you cant attack us. So I dont see it as OP. You dont win matches by running away.

And no, i dont use MR, TP or STC (anymore at least, just too easy).
I used STC before it was cool. STC always igored defense, that's not what is broken. What is broke is it's now ticking more times than it is supposed to originally it was 30%, but somehow the noob devs broke it. The fact that hardly anyone took it for PVP, or even knew that it always ignored defense just goes to show you how bad the PVP community in this game is, but meh I'm not too fond of people in general.
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