I have a 2.10 Ghz dual core, 4 gigs of ram, and an ATI 4650 Mobile card on my laptop. I didnt expect to run this game at max, to be fair I figured medium with a few settings turned down. And I would have been fine with that. but currently i have to run.

1) Cpu optimization software (which i downloaded because of this game, it turns off processes im not using other than CO)

2) Defrag, clean optimize, regedit etc my computer to streamline the crap out of it

3) Change my Video card settings through the control pannel to a series of settings that are SPECIFIC for this game

4) Turn all of the ingame settings down to the lowest possible settings, including the so called "TROUBLESHOOTING OPTIONS"

5) Stay away from populated zones ( i have to choose the most empty instances now, instead of playing with people im forced to play alone

6) Regularly Turn off my UI (hell i bound the toggle to "Z") Just to beable to use Travel powers, or go anywhere near a helipad or area full of Traders etc.

All to achieve a WHOPPING 35 FPS standing still, and 20 FPS moving and than 10-15 FPS in travel mode. (double these numbers when the UI is turned off than again with the UI Turned off I cant see my mini map, traget anyone, interacet with any objects etc.. etc..

This is unacceptable.

Do I have the best PC, NO no I don't. But this isnt Warhammer online graphics here, were takling about a game that is graphically on par wtih Guildwars to say the best. And My laptop plays both of those game FINE, at max settings by the way. (okay a few options turned down on War, but still only a few)

Believe me, the fact is, even a 2.1ghz dual core should be running this game at 60FPS at medium settings, if you have a recent 512mb card. with shadows turned off. The fact that Quad Core 3ghz machines with 1 gig on board memory recent generation GPU's can't play this stable is an attrocity.



This is killing the community. A LOT of people did the closed beta this was a problem during the closed beta, from what i'm hearing on the forums, it was a problem during the open beta, it continues to plauge us during the head start, and barring a miracle come tomorrow after noon.. wee you get the picture

I have no doubt, that many of the community memebers will be leaving the game, and checking back with the forums periodically, until this is fixed because the fact remains, that while some of u talk a big game ( I guess you have money to blow) were not gonna buy new CPU's for a game that looks no better than say "guild wars" which is an instnace based MMO that has been out for years and plays on just about anything.. Hell I bet my Smart Phone coudl run it.

I'm not at home right now, I'm away for a school, and while my Desktop at home, may be able to get a few FPS better, from what i hear, its not gonna do much better. And My desktop at home, is the one I build specifcally to CRUSH crysis, which by the way it does.

What we have here is poor optimization (not lazy mind you) simply poor.

It will be fixed, and im sure we will come back when it is.

But cyrptic was smart They knew they had a pretty established fan base, after the release of City of Heroes and City of Villans (2 of my favorite MMO's to date) those game were amazing, they ran well on just about anything (yes they were cpu intensive fan boys, but not like this, even when they first came out my pc played them at max FPS MAX settings) They knew that those players would come over, hell many of them were beta participants. And while they had them gathered they did the following:

OFFER discout 6 month and life time subscriptions for Champions online. And do so during the beta phase. Now quickly put a time limit on them, People buy these subs in advance, because they trust the company, many of them did so before the early start and many others did during the early start believing that the issue would be fixed quickly. Hell I bought mine during day one of the open beta, because I belived that the Debugger and beta phase was the root of the problem (more than a few posts lead me to belive that). Now that the early start has opend up I'm realizing I was wrong.

If it is not fixed quickly, these people (my self) included are gonnal feel pretty cheated. But hey thats the way it goes I guess. They got 6 months worth of my money to fix it, meanwhile until they do I'm playing a game that to be honest barely runs and I belive (honestly believe) that, that is exactly what they planned on from the start. Why put a time limit on them, that expired before the early start? Why not that expired on the release day, or GASP a week after.

The truth is, the level of graphics this game offers is decieving, it doesnt look that impressive (comic style) it looks very good, and I for one enjoy the styling (not that i get to see it in game, I cant run it at anything above the lowest) but the videos look amazing. The problem is, for some reason it murders all but the most amazing machines. And that is sad.

So Cryptic team members: Are you going to be offering a refund for lifetime and 6 months subs, for those of us who "whie we would much prefer a fix for the problem, we love your game" just well to put it plainly we can't play

To be honest, I don't want my money back, I just wanna play the game :), even just a quick "were working on it, 3 weeks estimated to fix" or "we atleast know WHATS wrong, were working on fixing it" I just don't wanna spend the money to find out that this is just how its going to be.

Tinygod

agreed good sir

I love this game and want to play it so bad

I pre ordered it in full during the closed beta assuming these kinks would be worked out by launch

well now that launch is here im just going to shelf my unopened box tomorrow and check back from time to time on the game status before i use my 30 free days

Everyone has a free month, until you start paying a subscription you don't even have room to complain honestly. You clicked accept on the EULA so boom, you've accepted there will be bugs and issues, so no they don't have to and won't give you money.

I'm also laughing my ass off at the fact that you said this isn't Warhammer online, which looks slightly better than WoW while Champions looks closer to Age of conan.

You mean, like the $200 limited-time-offer, buy-before-launch-or-forever-live-without Lifetime Subscription I bought? Because, yeah, I've been a paying customer since the second the Headstart began. Possibly, sooner than that - all the way back to the instant Cryptic processed my $200 payment ... around 19AUG2009.

As it is, I'm teetering on the edge of upgrading my whole computer (to an AMD Phenom X4 97750 running at 2.4GHz, yes a B3-seilicon revision model, with 8GB of RAM, on a fresh OS install of Vista Home Premium 64-bit ... and plunking my current GeForce GTS250 card into it.

If, after doing that, I can't set the quality-vs-performance slider to at least the 50% mark and still achieve a stable 30+fps, and it remains that way past ... oh, I'll be generous and give Cryptic until November 01 ... well yes, I will start asking for a refund. Because even 30fps is, IMO, "falling well short of expected results".

A person's local Consumer Protection laws might say otherwise. Just because it's in a contract, does not mean it's legally enforcable upon you.

If the game is leterally unsuitable for it's advertised purpose, even when meeting the system specifications recommended by Cryptic ... then there is a very real problem, and the EULA will most likely not fully shield Cryptic from potential refund liability.

People need to learn to get over it. I play this game at 23FPS standing still, 15 traveling and I play JUST FINE. It does not hinder my ability to play AT ALL. Sure, it's not the prettiest but it's not a slideshow either. Get over it and no, you shouldnt get a refund. That's playable.

If you had any doubts at all about the performance of the game on your PC during beta
(as you indicated) you should have only subscribed on a month-to-month basis which could be canceled at any time.

I'm playing a fair bit below the minimum standard and everything is just ducky. Mind you the graphics look like some grade schooler's art project... but still. :P

I play the game at 15fps standing still, 2-5fps moving. AND IT GIVES ME HEADACHES ... it makes me physically ill.

That is not "just fine".

It's unlikely, to be sure.

True.

I now have a new PC on the way, with an AMD Phenom X4 9750 clocked at 2.4GHz/core, 8GB of memory, and VISTA Home Premium SP1. As soon as it gets here, I'll drop my GTS 250 (1GB) into it. And I really really REALLY hope that gets me at least to the 20-25 (15 while moving) level, for fps.

It should get me into the "permanently 45-60" level, mind. But at least the new computer should get me out of "10-minutes to Headache City" territory.