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First, the build:
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Thoughtseize: Level 40 Champion
Superstats:
Level 6: Super Constitution
Level 13: Super Presence
Powers:
Level 1: Clobber
Level 1: Roomsweeper
Level 6: Retaliation
Level 6: Acrobatics -- Versatility, Rank 2
Level 8: Aura Of Primal Majesty -- Rank 3, Rank 2
Level 11: Enrage
Level 14: Protection Field -- Rank 3, Rank 2
Level 17: Imbue -- Rank 2
Level 20: Conviction -- Rank 2
Level 23: Resurgence
Level 26: Haymaker -- Nullifying Punch, Rank 2
Level 29: Mindful Reinforcement -- Revitalizing Boost, Rank 2
Level 32: Ascension -- Rank 3, Rank 2
Level 35: Mighty Leap -- Nailed to the Ground, Crippling Challenge
Level 35: Teleport
Level 38: Unbreakable -- Better You Than Me, Rank 2
Talents:
Level 1: Divinity
Level 6: Intimidating
Level 9: Enduring
Level 12: Impressive Physique
Level 15: Physical Conditioning
Level 18: Shrug It Off
Level 21: Survival Training
Now, my goal here was not to make a super uber tank, and to be honest, I'm level 29 atm so I don't know how powerful he will or will not be, but from my understanding that came from reading this forum and doing my research (Believe it or not, some people can research!) he'll be fine in both PvE and PvP. I wanted him to be fairly complex to play, as snooze fest toons are well.. exactly that. If I wanted to sleep while I played my character (I'm looking at you Defiant Tanks! (Yes, even I know.)), I just wouldn't play. I'd sleep.
I'm pretty settled on the power choices, the only one it took me awhile to decide on was unbreakable. I contemplated that or Electric Sheath, and settled on the Defensive for more survivability, although it may not be what I'm looking for. (We'll see.)
I'm mostly concerned with my Advantage point placement. This I know takes a little more finesse, and I wrestled with a couple of the choices I made here. Let me know what you think and if a few points should be shifted!
Build by championBuilder 0.4.1
Download this Build here.
Thoughtseize: Level 40 Champion
Superstats:
Level 6: Super Constitution
Level 13: Super Presence
Powers:
Level 1: Clobber
Level 1: Roomsweeper
Level 6: Retaliation
Level 6: Acrobatics -- Versatility, Rank 2
Level 8: Aura Of Primal Majesty -- Rank 3, Rank 2
Level 11: Enrage
Level 14: Protection Field -- Rank 3, Rank 2
Level 17: Imbue -- Rank 2
Level 20: Conviction -- Rank 2
Level 23: Resurgence
Level 26: Haymaker -- Nullifying Punch, Rank 2
Level 29: Mindful Reinforcement -- Revitalizing Boost, Rank 2
Level 32: Ascension -- Rank 3, Rank 2
Level 35: Mighty Leap -- Nailed to the Ground, Crippling Challenge
Level 35: Teleport
Level 38: Unbreakable -- Better You Than Me, Rank 2
Talents:
Level 1: Divinity
Level 6: Intimidating
Level 9: Enduring
Level 12: Impressive Physique
Level 15: Physical Conditioning
Level 18: Shrug It Off
Level 21: Survival Training
Now, my goal here was not to make a super uber tank, and to be honest, I'm level 29 atm so I don't know how powerful he will or will not be, but from my understanding that came from reading this forum and doing my research (Believe it or not, some people can research!) he'll be fine in both PvE and PvP. I wanted him to be fairly complex to play, as snooze fest toons are well.. exactly that. If I wanted to sleep while I played my character (I'm looking at you Defiant Tanks! (Yes, even I know.)), I just wouldn't play. I'd sleep.
I'm pretty settled on the power choices, the only one it took me awhile to decide on was unbreakable. I contemplated that or Electric Sheath, and settled on the Defensive for more survivability, although it may not be what I'm looking for. (We'll see.)
I'm mostly concerned with my Advantage point placement. This I know takes a little more finesse, and I wrestled with a couple of the choices I made here. Let me know what you think and if a few points should be shifted!
# 2
06-20-2011, 02:44 AM
It will frequently work fine as a support build, but it's no tank. Many T4 toons would burn you down pretty quickly. A little control and a maintain would do it.
I'd suggest replacing Retaliation with Energy Shield+adv. I love Retaliation, but you're not going to get much out of it as a pvp tank.
If you're going to be playing stronghold or zombie apoc, I'd suggest Inertial Dampening Field, probably over Resurgence. While Resurgence will be valuable when you're held, a large number of pve enemies or pets is going to be a huge problem for that build.
You could also use some control yourself. If an enemy is really putting the harm on you, you have little to stop them - Mighty Leap and Roomsweeper.
Aura Of Primal Majesty isn't getting it's real use here. If you're not going to push DEX, you're not going to get much out of it. And if you're not getting much out of DEX, you're not getting much out of EGO. The energy stats are nice, but somebody with INT primary utility gear and MSA is going to have as much energy as you in many situations. I believe Aura of Radiant Protection would be much more valuable to you.
I'd suggest replacing Retaliation with Energy Shield+adv. I love Retaliation, but you're not going to get much out of it as a pvp tank.
If you're going to be playing stronghold or zombie apoc, I'd suggest Inertial Dampening Field, probably over Resurgence. While Resurgence will be valuable when you're held, a large number of pve enemies or pets is going to be a huge problem for that build.
You could also use some control yourself. If an enemy is really putting the harm on you, you have little to stop them - Mighty Leap and Roomsweeper.
Aura Of Primal Majesty isn't getting it's real use here. If you're not going to push DEX, you're not going to get much out of it. And if you're not getting much out of DEX, you're not getting much out of EGO. The energy stats are nice, but somebody with INT primary utility gear and MSA is going to have as much energy as you in many situations. I believe Aura of Radiant Protection would be much more valuable to you.
# 3
01-11-2012, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by skeeterbarnes
Aura Of Primal Majesty isn't getting it's real use here. If you're not going to push DEX, you're not going to get much out of it. And if you're not getting much out of DEX, you're not getting much out of EGO. The energy stats are nice, but somebody with INT primary utility gear and MSA is going to have as much energy as you in many situations. I believe Aura of Radiant Protection would be much more valuable to you. |
# 4
01-11-2012, 01:35 PM
Your build just needs a few tweaks and it'd be fine.
You don't have to go Dex with AoPM, there are lots and lots of people out there running STR/INT, and at least a few running CON/PRE. MSA doesn't give you that much energy without SS int. At 120 int, you'd only getting 21 per tick. With Super CON/PRE and double bubble, you have little mitigation, but at least 10k HP and 4k of bubbles to get through before you die. Not a great deal of people have the potential to kill you through that without a massive amount of control, and even then you can pop ascension + resurgence. I assume OP is going to stat STR with his power choices and Enrage in the build. This would at least give him a good chance of surviving control in the form of knocks. And with 3 actives, he should be able to pop out of Holds with relative ease as well.
With your SS, you should also consider taking Iniquity, and being a Healer. The hits to your HP would be relatively small with high CON and you'd get really big heals with stacked PRE.
Imbue does well with high CON, but without any really good control, you'd be hard pressed to pull off a mighty leap, imbue, then a fully charged haymaker on someone.
Think about using ranged attacks instead of melee. Popping ascension will be just as frustrating for you as them.
You also lack an energy unlock which is pretty much a must have in most builds. You could use Darkness powers and take Spirit reverb, or stat a lot of INT and use MSA since you already have conviction, OR Grab Ego storm and take Telepathic reverb, which is probably not the best option, but still viable.
The powers I'd reconsider are Retaliation, Imbue, Roomsweeper, Haymaker and Mighty Leap, and I'd take off R2 Acro and all the ranks off from Ascension. I'd rank Conviction to R3, so that gives you 5 powers and 14 adv points to play with.
I'd take Iniquity R3, then a lunge/hurl with CC + NTTG depending on whether you're melee/ranged.
With the last 3 Powers and 5 adv points, you should probably take an AoE if you want to PvE or a Hold for PvP, an energy unlock and a good R3 Single target attack.
E.g. Take Void shift with CC and Fear Adv, then take Ebon Ruin R3 with Nyctophobia, Take Spirit Reverb, and then Shadow Embrace with Nailed to the Ground.
EDIT: Oh wow didn't realise how old this post was, wayyy overdue.
You don't have to go Dex with AoPM, there are lots and lots of people out there running STR/INT, and at least a few running CON/PRE. MSA doesn't give you that much energy without SS int. At 120 int, you'd only getting 21 per tick. With Super CON/PRE and double bubble, you have little mitigation, but at least 10k HP and 4k of bubbles to get through before you die. Not a great deal of people have the potential to kill you through that without a massive amount of control, and even then you can pop ascension + resurgence. I assume OP is going to stat STR with his power choices and Enrage in the build. This would at least give him a good chance of surviving control in the form of knocks. And with 3 actives, he should be able to pop out of Holds with relative ease as well.
With your SS, you should also consider taking Iniquity, and being a Healer. The hits to your HP would be relatively small with high CON and you'd get really big heals with stacked PRE.
Imbue does well with high CON, but without any really good control, you'd be hard pressed to pull off a mighty leap, imbue, then a fully charged haymaker on someone.
Think about using ranged attacks instead of melee. Popping ascension will be just as frustrating for you as them.
You also lack an energy unlock which is pretty much a must have in most builds. You could use Darkness powers and take Spirit reverb, or stat a lot of INT and use MSA since you already have conviction, OR Grab Ego storm and take Telepathic reverb, which is probably not the best option, but still viable.
The powers I'd reconsider are Retaliation, Imbue, Roomsweeper, Haymaker and Mighty Leap, and I'd take off R2 Acro and all the ranks off from Ascension. I'd rank Conviction to R3, so that gives you 5 powers and 14 adv points to play with.
I'd take Iniquity R3, then a lunge/hurl with CC + NTTG depending on whether you're melee/ranged.
With the last 3 Powers and 5 adv points, you should probably take an AoE if you want to PvE or a Hold for PvP, an energy unlock and a good R3 Single target attack.
E.g. Take Void shift with CC and Fear Adv, then take Ebon Ruin R3 with Nyctophobia, Take Spirit Reverb, and then Shadow Embrace with Nailed to the Ground.
EDIT: Oh wow didn't realise how old this post was, wayyy overdue.
# 5
01-11-2012, 05:28 PM
I would also assume that anything like AORP or any damage resistance buffs don't stack with Protection Field or Mindful Reinforcement correct? Or even Energy Shield w/ Laser Knight adv...do these dmg resistances not come into play until bubbles are down?
# 6
01-11-2012, 06:11 PM
Yeah, bubbles take the full brunt of anything. No reduction, AFAIK.
# 7
01-11-2012, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Malchiel
Yeah, bubbles take the full brunt of anything. No reduction, AFAIK.
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# 8
01-11-2012, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SomethingWitty
Unless it's changed recently, damage reduction is taken into account before damage is done to Protection Field (not sure about Mindful Reinforcement), so it's entirely possible to throw up a protection field that takes 1 damage because of, say, Invuln.
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Spamming bubbles can be a great defense, but it's got some serious holes. If your energy management isn't perfect or is altered in anyway, you may find yourself without any protection very fast. Since it's an active form of mitigation, any type of control (especially the prolific knockback in PvP) followed by some heavy spike damage will punch through your bubbles and summarily you very quickly.
# 9
01-11-2012, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Empyreal10
The damage subtraction from Invuln and IDF take place before the bubble is damaged (due to how backwards bubbles work behind the scenes, iirc). Regular damage resistance does not.
Spamming bubbles can be a great defense, but it's got some serious holes. If your energy management isn't perfect or is altered in anyway, you may find yourself without any protection very fast. Since it's an active form of mitigation, any type of control (especially the prolific knockback in PvP) followed by some heavy spike damage will punch through your bubbles and summarily you very quickly. |
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