I think many that PvP can agree that there needs to be some rule changes on how win points and such are determined in both Zombie Apocalypse and BASH as they currently stand. Since both these two PvP maps use the same mechanic it basically punishes those for actually trying to play the game and rewards those for exploiting a flawed mechanic, so here are my suggestions;

First up B.A.S.H. In BASH, there is a certain individual, and a few other mild ones, that actually completely break the mechanics of this otherwise interesting style of PvP. He uses the broken tag mechanics to generate absurd levels of free kilsl even though it's easily provable on many instances that he couldn't even solo the weakest build in PvP. So, for BASH I would suggest that for someone to qualify for a PvP kill they must do a total of 40% or more health damage to the person in question to receive credit for the kill. This would help to make one hit tagging difficult and prevents lame jump in one attack run away tactics of others for free kill points.

Addition to the BASH rule have the damage count reset if the two targets stop being aggressive to each other for X time (IE red bar loss).

Second up Zombie Apocalypse. The mechanics in Zomb Apoc are just BASH mechanics, but instead if you are a survivor you are punished by these mechanics and always given a loss even if you survived for all 20 minutes. Of the zomibe sthe only one given a win is the person with teh highest kill score so in the end even if the zombie team won, you still lost. So, m suggestion is this. Change it if you were apart of Zombie Apoc for more than 10 minutes and the survivor team wins and you're a survivor you get a win score. If you are apart of the zombie team and helped assist for wiping out the hero team, no matter the time, you get a win.

Plain and simple and to the point.

So who gets a loss? You say whoever survives more than 10 min and whoever survives the whole time gets a W. As well as anyone that helped assist for wiping out the hero team. That would mean if someone hops in the game within the last min, dies, and helps kill the last hero they'd also get a W (by your initial definition).

I like the idea of a revamp, but this one needs a little more work for who loses :D

Not really, zomibes lose if survivors survive. Survivors lose if zombies wipe em out. Zombie time should be time based to, but frankl,y if zomibes win then survivors lose :p

You didn't say that ;)

Honestly, does there really need to be a lose counter for Zombie Apoc? If you survive oyu get a win. If your zombie tema defeats the survivors you get a win. You don't get a real negative slapped agianst you other than loss of points if you didn't survive long enough or generate a lot of kills in zombie side. Honestly the fact that my loss record is directly attributed to surviving Zombie APoc speaks volumes >_< For the survivors to get the win they actually have to make it where the pop up comes up and for zombies to win they have to kill all survivors. Not much there to really explain. The stipultion for survivors is that they have to actually have been there for 10 minutes or longer to get the win credit, instead of like just cheesing off in the cabin or just happen to get in at the tail end of a game.

I'd rather have Zombie Apocalypse not track 'wins' at all.