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# 1 Supernatural Power not ticking for Maintains
04-24-2012, 08:11 PM
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I was seeming to run out of energy rather quickly for having an energy unlock on, and then I noticed why. My maintains, like Epidemic and Venomous Breath aren't triggering Supernatural Power.

But a friend of mine, playing at the same time said that his Epidemic was triggering it fine. So I got to thinking that maybe one of the Specialization Trees I had was causing the effect, and as Devs tend to want specifics as to how I'm set up, I'll give the full run down:

Level 40
Super: Con
Seconds: Presence, Recovery

Trees:

Constitution:
Tough 3/3
Resilient 2/2
Quick Healing 3/3
Armored 2/2

Guardian:
Fortified Gear 3/3
Locus 2/2
The Best Defense 3/3
Tenacious 2/2

Avenger:
Round em up 3/3
Ruthless 2/2
Preemptive Strike 2/3
Relentless Assault 3/3 ------------> My guess as to the problem

Mastery: Constitution

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04-24-2012, 10:21 PM
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One thing to check is your total energy.

You have to remember it procs when you dip below 15%. So if your total energy bar is 100, that means you have to dip below 15 for it to kick in. That's a pretty narrow threshold.

Your avenger tree would likely be fine, as my AT cursed has no issues.
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04-24-2012, 11:02 PM
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If you're above 15% energy, and the next tick of your maintain is going to cost MORE than the total energy you have left, then you'll get the 'out of energy' warning. You need the cost of the tick to take you to somewhere below 15% but above zero.

So if you've got 100 max END, you're at 16 actual END and your maintain costs 17 for the next tick - it'll stop.

Building/statting/gearing for some END will give you a bigger window to aim for, and so more chance of it happening. Thinking about it, statting for INT or gearing for power cost discount would probably also have the same effect, because each tick of the maintain will cost less.

I had the same issue, I was wondering why people were raving about how OP the power was when I kept finding myself out of energy....
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04-24-2012, 11:20 PM
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Nice thoughts, but no, I paid attention to where my energy needed to hit for the 15%, and I still had another tick below it I could hit.

Proof? I bought my energy down below the 15% with Epidemic, then fired off a random Infernal Blast. The Blast triggered Supernatural Power just fine.

Holding Epidemic at the same exact point caused nothing.
Same with Breath

I've tried with my other skills to see if they would have the same result.
Defile and Condem both triggered Supernatural Power.


Confirmation:
I had no endurance statted, its true, so I grabbed a random piece of gear that gave me 30 Endurance and tried again.

Max Energy 141
Equilibrium: 92
15% Energy: 21.15

Cost of Epidemic 14 per tick

92 minus 14 = 78
78 minus 14 = 64
64 minus 14 = 50
50 minus 14 = 36
36 minus 14 = 22

So right after this tick, it should kick in

22 minus 14 = 8

and nothing still happened, even with energy left.

At 8, if it had kicked in, with my recovery I would have hit 41 enery, putting me back up to 49 total and I would get two more ticks before it would kick in again.
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04-24-2012, 11:39 PM
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The only other thing that would come to mind is that both epidemic and breath need to hit something for the proc to fire - so as long as your targets aren't dead before you hit the threshold then it should proc.

Would recommend grabbing a cheap green util primary and modding with cheap end mod or a legacy blue with end just to increase that threshold to verify.

Might also want to try testing with and without aspect of the infernal on.
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04-25-2012, 12:08 AM
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The only other thing that would come to mind is that both epidemic and breath need to hit something for the proc to fire - so as long as your targets aren't dead before you hit the threshold then it should proc.

Would recommend grabbing a cheap green util primary and modding with cheap end mod or a legacy blue with end just to increase that threshold to verify.

Might also want to try testing with and without aspect of the infernal on.
I retconned out just now and put talents out of Ego and into End, not much change to Ego so no biggie.

Before, I was hitting things with Epidemic and it wasn't proccing

Now it is.. Also other strange things have me wondering. 1, my Equilibrium is much higher than it was before, which makes no sense, also my Consititution is higher.

Not sure what the hell is going on. Did I get a bad retcon the first time and stuff just went haywire? Regardless, had a token so no big loss moneywise to get it corrected, still would think this should be looked into because why were my stats so low and my Energy Unlock not working?
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04-25-2012, 02:02 AM
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I would like to add I made several posts regarding Supernatural Power and Vicious Cyclone not proccing properly as well. Here's one of them:

http://forums.champions-online.com/s...=145913&page=2

And if you must know, the character in question has an equilibrium of 54 and a max energy of 175.

One thing that I found particularly strange is that, deep into a UNITY 2 mission, Supernatural Power _did_ resume working for a time. I'm not sure as to the particulars. I wasn't in combat and I'm not certain exactly _when_ it functioned as expected.. but it didn't last.
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