View Full Version : Breastgate?
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10-10-2009, 07:42 AM
Um, just noticed that there seems to be a noticeable "reduction" in our female characters upper attribute size that somehow snuck into a patch?
I know Age of Conan had a Breastgate that saw a hidden reduction in breast size......
Is this the same with Champions?
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10-10-2009, 07:44 AM
Oh gosh, I really hope you're right! My character Miss Enchanted has her slider turned all the way down and she's still practically rocking DD's.
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10-10-2009, 07:47 AM
Oh gosh, I really hope you're right! My character Miss Enchanted has her slider turned all the way down and she's still practically rocking DD's.
Seriously? *lifts a brow*
You must have some other sliders way down, 'cause you can practically make a man with those female sliders.
I have noticed that the body mass slider effects first on the breasts, intersting enough, so it might be that it's been removed from that slider and as such, effect the body in such a way.
There goes another resource or two if it's changed my body features too dramatically...took me ages to get a balance *fears login*
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10-10-2009, 07:49 AM
Seriously? *lifts a brow*
You must have some other sliders way down, 'cause you can practically make a man with those female sliders.
Hmm. I'll try the tailor again, I made her during headstart and maybe the slider wasn't working correctly at the time or something. But I made "the girls" as small as I could get them and she still looked like a stripper.
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10-10-2009, 07:50 AM
Hmm. I'll try the tailor again, I made her during headstart and maybe the slider wasn't working correctly at the time or something. But I made "the girls" as small as I could get them and she still looked like a stripper.
Nope it's definitely smaller. You guys need to get out more to be able to spot size differences I guess.
Breastgate: The Sequel
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10-10-2009, 07:53 AM
Nope it's definitely smaller. You guys need to get out more to be able to spot size differences I guess.
Breastgate: The Sequel
(re-check)It's not THAT noticable on regular sized breasts atleast, if there's even a change.
The people tooting massive juggilars might notice it easier *laugh*
You do know breasts don't magically change sizes in the real world without a scalpel and a man with a porsche?
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10-10-2009, 07:58 AM
Oh gosh, I really hope you're right! My character Miss Enchanted has her slider turned all the way down and she's still practically rocking DD's.
Dunno what you are talking about. Turning the sliders all the way down practically inverts them. Been that way for weeks, since I started playing.
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10-10-2009, 08:05 AM
Dunno what you are talking about. Turning the sliders all the way down practically inverts them. Been that way for weeks, since I started playing.
Don't think we're too concerned about the "inversion" factor mostly the explosion and lack there of. :P
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10-10-2009, 08:08 AM
Don't think we're too concerned about the "inversion" factor mostly the explosion and lack there of. :P
Get on topic people. Let's nip this issue now.
* starts pacing back and forth in a very concerned manner *
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10-10-2009, 08:11 AM
I just checked the creator and nothing really seems to have changed size wise so far as I could tell. Then again, I don't really obsess over that when I make a female toon. I drop the bar to half and move on.:p
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10-10-2009, 08:13 AM
Don't think we're too concerned about the "inversion" factor mostly the explosion and lack there of. :P
I am. It's hard to make really small ones because you end up with weird looking shadows and "pockets."
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10-10-2009, 08:27 AM
I am. It's hard to make really small ones because you end up with weird looking shadows and "pockets."
I hesitate to enter the conversation, but...
That's because real physics doesn't really apply. You're essentially inflating and deflating balloons.
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10-10-2009, 08:40 AM
Dear Sirs:
I am appalled by the lack of attention this issue is receiving. If indeed a hidden patch has reduced the extent to which I may inflate my characters' jubblies, I demand to know why we were not informed of this. What has the world come to, that we taxpaying citizens are to be restricted in the fielding of topheavy heroines? I shudder to think what our great, departed heroes of yesteryear would think, knowing that they bravely laid down their lives in defense of a country that would so punish funbag afficionados. If this issue is not corrected with due speed, I am afraid I will have to put you on a charge, and let me say here that I am close personal friends with the superintendant of the local constabulary.
Yours, etc etc
Brig. George Turlingdrome
(PS: I hadn't noticed this problem, but I have noticed all the people who think maxing Chest Depth is giving their fems GGGs and somehow miss that they're ending up with Mutant Carrot Torso Syndrome.)
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10-10-2009, 09:01 AM
Dear Sirs:
I am appalled by the lack of attention this issue is receiving. If indeed a hidden patch has reduced the extent to which I may inflate my characters' jubblies, I demand to know why we were not informed of this. What has the world come to, that we taxpaying citizens are to be restricted in the fielding of topheavy heroines? I shudder to think what our great, departed heroes of yesteryear would think, knowing that they bravely laid down their lives in defense of a country that would so punish funbag afficionados. If this issue is not corrected with due speed, I am afraid I will have to put you on a charge, and let me say here that I am close personal friends with the superintendant of the local constabulary.
Yours, etc etc
Brig. George Turlingdrome
(PS: I hadn't noticed this problem, but I have noticed all the people who think maxing Chest Depth is giving their fems GGGs and somehow miss that they're ending up with Mutant Carrot Torso Syndrome.)
Dude, what if the powers derive from the breasts? This limits roleplay and inherent equality. We demand justice!
Plus Kenny is mighty upset that he can't properly fight in the Breastiary.
Still this is hilarious if they snuck this in exactly how Age of Conan did, which I'm pretty sure they did. Shame on you.
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10-10-2009, 09:03 AM
So should we nip these issues or are we just trying to make Mountains out of Molehills?
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10-10-2009, 09:14 AM
So should we nip these issues or are we just trying to make Mountains out of Molehills?
Personally, I think this is quite a weighty matter, with significant heft. Any truly robust game system would handle this sort of issue quickly and expediently.
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10-10-2009, 09:14 AM
ouch...
that last pun hurt.
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10-10-2009, 09:27 AM
Pics or it didn't happen.
-np
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10-10-2009, 09:46 AM
I noticed no difference... Hey, my eyes are up here!
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10-10-2009, 09:54 AM
Eh, I'm not surprised if they did adjust things. There was a thread down in suggestions or something a while back with a lot of people complaining about clipping caused by various chest-pieces not fitting correctly over the bust sizes. Also some concern that not every female character is intended by the player to be super-busty. I'd link to the thread but I'm just too lazy to search for it. :p
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10-10-2009, 09:58 AM
Eh, I'm not surprised if they did adjust things. There was a thread down in suggestions or something a while back with a lot of people complaining about clipping caused by various chest-pieces not fitting correctly over the bust sizes. Also some concern that not every female character is intended by the player to be super-busty. I'd link to the thread but I'm just too lazy to search for it. :p
This reminds me of women complaining about getting clothes to fit on large curves, and certain sizes not having enough things to choose from. Seems Cryptic is suffering from real world geometry.
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10-10-2009, 10:03 AM
Logged in for half a second to check out this game breaking issue and. .
I've noticed no real change in either functionality of sliders or size. Of course, I don't really pay much attention to the size short of making sure my character's chest is not a hazard to nearby civilians.
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10-10-2009, 10:05 AM
Okay, I lied when I said I was too lazy to find it; here it is (http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=74173). :rolleyes:
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10-10-2009, 10:09 AM
Attachments for a total win....
"Peekaboo" LOL
Okay, I guess there is a real issue with the upper body shape scalability and costume pieces.
The pics are so funny , and yet so serious. :o
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10-10-2009, 10:18 AM
Oh gosh, I really hope you're right! My character Miss Enchanted has her slider turned all the way down and she's still practically rocking DD's.
More like knocking DD's :D
But I digress.
Certainly they wouldn't make the mistake of trying to hide a change like this. Hiding things that aren't really such a big deal makes it all the more taboo/conspiratorial. Unless it's not a big deal and they did it anyways to try and make the game more family-friendly, then I'd have a problem. Big breasts on female superheroes is like... a tradition!
But at the same time, I don't think female gamers should have difficulty in recreating an actual female anatomy should they choose to. So their should be highly exaggerated sliders with very small and very large... options.
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10-10-2009, 10:24 AM
OMG fix this now or I will cancel my lifetime subscription! I am sick of nerfs. I want at least GGG and hidden nipple guns too!
Do it now or I will set Dr. Manboobs on you!
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10-10-2009, 10:25 AM
Nope it's definitely smaller. You guys need to get out more to be able to spot size differences I guess.
Breastgate: The Sequel
Lol advising people to go out and oogle boobs.
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10-10-2009, 10:26 AM
You do know breasts don't magically change sizes in the real world without a scalpel and a man with a porsche?
Not true, breast size varies with hormone levels, pregnancy, and water intake (since they are mostly fat) - although the good people at Dow can make them substantially bigger.
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10-10-2009, 10:30 AM
I will do my best to keep abreast of this concerning issue.
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10-10-2009, 10:31 AM
OMG fix this now or I will cancel my lifetime subscription! I am sick of nerfs. I want at least GGG and hidden nipple guns too!
Do it now or I will set Dr. Manboobs on you!
Wait! is that your character? did they nerf your signature... he was my favorite.
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10-10-2009, 10:32 AM
Hmm. I'm not sure this is something that should have been fixed (if it was) by simply going in and limiting chest sizes. Most of what I'm seeing there looks far more like incorrect deformations/bone attachments or issues with the chest-wear geometry itself than anything to do with the size of the breasts themselves.
I honestly doubt the Mods are going to take this thread seriously at this point, but I'll say this anyway:
Maybe a better option would be to revisit the geometry for the Chest Wear items and test them for deformation issues, as well as re-evaluating where the deformations are originating from. Artifically restricting creation options like this seems more like a duct tape fix than anything else, especially since the player has full control over those sorts of issues, and can adjust their character to reduce or remove them.
Alternatively, go the same route they went with some of the Medium Skirts and the thigh proportions. If you switch between various lower-leg options in the editor, it becomes apparent that some of the choices for Medium Skirts result in a reduction of the bulk of the female thigh models, most likely to prevent the thighs clipping through the skirt geometry. I imagine doing the same kind of minor limiter on the female breasts when some of the Chest Wear items are in use would work as well.
Personally, I've noticed these same issues with pretty much anything that's a separate mesh that fits closely to a character's body parts, male or female - I'll usually just go adjust whatever bit it is such that the body mesh underneath doesn't poke through, knowing that it won't actually be visible.
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10-10-2009, 10:50 AM
Dude, what if the powers derive from the breasts? This limits roleplay and inherent equality. We demand justice!
"I've got the Power Pasties, and I know how to use them!"
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10-10-2009, 10:51 AM
Hmm. I'm not sure this is something that should have been fixed (if it was) by simply going in and limiting chest sizes. Most of what I'm seeing there looks far more like incorrect deformations/bone attachments or issues with the chest-wear geometry itself than anything to do with the size of the breasts themselves.
I honestly doubt the Mods are going to take this thread seriously at this point, but I'll say this anyway:
Maybe a better option would be to revisit the geometry for the Chest Wear items and test them for deformation issues, as well as re-evaluating where the deformations are originating from. Artifically restricting creation options like this seems more like a duct tape fix than anything else, especially since the player has full control over those sorts of issues, and can adjust their character to reduce or remove them.
Alternatively, go the same route they went with some of the Medium Skirts and the thigh proportions. If you switch between various lower-leg options in the editor, it becomes apparent that some of the choices for Medium Skirts result in a reduction of the bulk of the female thigh models, most likely to prevent the thighs clipping through the skirt geometry. I imagine doing the same kind of minor limiter on the female breasts when some of the Chest Wear items are in use would work as well.
Personally, I've noticed these same issues with pretty much anything that's a separate mesh that fits closely to a character's body parts, male or female - I'll usually just go adjust whatever bit it is such that the body mesh underneath doesn't poke through, knowing that it won't actually be visible.
I knew it wouldn't be long until somebody brought up duct tape....
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10-10-2009, 10:59 AM
I knew it wouldn't be long until somebody brought up duct tape....
You're not helping. :P
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10-10-2009, 11:05 AM
Wait! is that your character? did they nerf your signature... he was my favorite.
No not mine, I am just another fan ;)
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10-10-2009, 11:06 AM
Try as I might, going back looking at old screen shots and other screen shots from last month that claim to have "max breast sliders", I can't find a difference. It's sad. I'd really hoped to do a before and after picture. I think this whole thing is just an "udder" scam.
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10-10-2009, 11:10 AM
Try as I might, going back looking at old screen shots and other screen shots from last month that claim to have "max breast sliders", I can't find a difference. It's sad. I'd really hoped to do a before and after picture. I think this whole thing is just an "udder" scam.
Ah... I had wondered if this breast size problem was going to cause a "flap"
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10-10-2009, 11:14 AM
You do know breasts don't magically change sizes in the real world without a scalpel and a man with a porsche?
You've obviously never helped make a baby.....
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10-10-2009, 11:16 AM
Ah... I had wondered if this breast size problem was going to cause a "flap"
Yeah, you can generally trust the local boobs to inflate things way out of proportion...
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10-10-2009, 11:27 AM
More like knocking DD's :D
But I digress.
Certainly they wouldn't make the mistake of trying to hide a change like this. Hiding things that aren't really such a big deal makes it all the more taboo/conspiratorial. Unless it's not a big deal and they did it anyways to try and make the game more family-friendly, then I'd have a problem. Big breasts on female superheroes is like... a tradition!
But at the same time, I don't think female gamers should have difficulty in recreating an actual female anatomy should they choose to. So their should be highly exaggerated sliders with very small and very large... options.
Yes hiding would be horrid, but that's exactly what happened. Someone needs to show a screenshot of a pre-Breastgate versus post. But for now: this thread PROVES IT! http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=74173
MAX BOOB PRIOR TO BREASTGATE 2009: http://forums.champions-online.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5041&d=1253875475
The max size has been reduced at least two Victoria's Secret sizes.
BREASTGATE 2009
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10-10-2009, 11:30 AM
Yeah, you can generally trust the local boobs to inflate things way out of proportion...
Agreed. you can always count on the hooters to drive with their "high beams" on.
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10-10-2009, 11:30 AM
Breastgate...
Wasn't that reported by Outward and Boobstein?
It effected a number of key players... Halterman, Herlickman, Ween...
Got Nipson impeached...
I know... I'm not helping... :D
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10-10-2009, 11:37 AM
This thread is full of "bumpers"
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10-10-2009, 11:39 AM
This thread is full of "bumpers"
Yeah, right about now, I think the whole thing has gone ****up.
...
Wow, that's the first time I've ever gotten filter-whipped.
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10-10-2009, 11:47 AM
Oh gosh, I really hope you're right! My character Miss Enchanted has her slider turned all the way down and she's still practically rocking DD's.
I guess theres a "hard cap" for breast reduction now. :D
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10-10-2009, 11:48 AM
This might be part of a broader issue wear costume data is not properly saved. My characters keep losing thier facial expressions and twice I've seen noses go to minimum width.
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10-10-2009, 11:49 AM
I guess theres a "hard cap" for breast reduction now. :D
It's like the Dev's are saying "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"
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10-10-2009, 11:51 AM
Yeah, right about now, I think the whole thing has gone ****up.
...
Wow, that's the first time I've ever gotten filter-whipped.
I agree, bra...
This thread has become knockered...
The breast course of action would be it nip it in the bud...
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10-10-2009, 11:52 AM
I am. It's hard to make really small ones because you end up with weird looking shadows and "pockets."
There was another thread that pointed this (or at least it's affect on mangling costumes) out to the devs, and someone mentioned that it was fixed on the internal build.
http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?p=1224355#post1224355
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10-10-2009, 11:55 AM
This is one screwed up thread.....
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10-10-2009, 11:57 AM
I must admit...
The breast sizes in this game give a whole new meaning to "Silicon Valley"...
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10-10-2009, 11:59 AM
Yes hiding would be horrid, but that's exactly what happened. Someone needs to show a screenshot of a pre-Breastgate versus post. But for now: this thread PROVES IT! http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=74173
MAX BOOB PRIOR TO BREASTGATE 2009: http://forums.champions-online.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5041&d=1253875475
The max size has been reduced at least two Victoria's Secret sizes.
BREASTGATE 2009
That's great, the "Before" boobs also have a giant chest plate of armor on them adding thickness.
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10-10-2009, 11:59 AM
There was another thread that pointed this (or at least it's affect on mangling costumes) out to the devs, and someone mentioned that it was fixed on the internal build.
http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?p=1224355#post1224355
Thanks for the link... In all seriousness it would be nice to not have the costumes scale so badly.
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10-10-2009, 12:05 PM
I must admit...
The breast sizes in this game give a whole new meaning to "Sillicon Valley"...
Did you know you could see it from "Twin Peaks" ?
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10-10-2009, 12:06 PM
This thread makes me think of this:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5-Tomb-Raider-Anniversary
Right about 3:10 or so. Oh, and the news short about the new Ninja Gaiden game at the end, too.
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10-10-2009, 12:13 PM
I'm assuming any breast based power "set" would contain a cone AoE (Areola of Effect) with Presence and Ego stats...
With a Hold Adavantage called "Oogle"...
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10-10-2009, 12:15 PM
That linked dev post shows they're staying on top of the problem breasts and have the solutions in hand. You can always count on this community to round up all the important issues. Thanks for pointing this out, everybody. :)
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10-10-2009, 12:30 PM
That linked dev post shows they're staying on top of the problem breasts and have the solutions in hand. You can always count on this community to round up all the important issues. Thanks for pointing this out, everybody. :)
Agreed, the team really deserves big cupcakes for this. I'm glad they have a lot of issues on their racks.
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10-10-2009, 12:37 PM
Why do I have a sudden urge for a milkshake?
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10-10-2009, 12:38 PM
Why do I have a sudden urge for a milkshake?
I was just thinking about non-dairy creamers
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10-10-2009, 12:45 PM
Maybe they should add a breast-size related Perk...
They could call it... ummm... "Perk"....
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10-10-2009, 12:49 PM
Maybe they should add a breast-size related Perk...
They could call it... ummm... "Perk"....
Yes, found in a chest on monster Island
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10-10-2009, 12:53 PM
I don't understand why so many people complain about their characters being squishy. :confused:
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10-10-2009, 12:57 PM
Wow... We are really milking what could be a very sensative subject to some...
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10-10-2009, 12:59 PM
Wow... We are really milking what could be a very sensative subject to some...
Just trying to show support.
SH
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10-10-2009, 01:02 PM
Wow... We are really milking what could be a very sensative subject to some...
You just can't give puppies to everybody, even if we were talking about dueling banjos.
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10-10-2009, 01:25 PM
Well, it's been fun hanging out, but I gotta go fill some jugs of water for my hike in the Grand Teetons...
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10-10-2009, 01:30 PM
Well, it's been fun hanging out, but I gotta go fill some jugs of water for my hike in the Grand Teetons...
Be careful on those curvey hills, there's always Winnebagos going on those mountains.
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10-10-2009, 01:32 PM
I misunderstood this thread. When I read the title I assumed it would be stargate.....with breasts.... I was disappointed.
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10-10-2009, 01:36 PM
I misunderstood this thread. When I read the title I assumed it would be stargate.....with breasts.... I was disappointed.
Looking forward to engaging chevrons 1 and 2....
(why does my wife kick me everytime I post in this thread?)
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10-10-2009, 01:38 PM
I hesitate to enter the conversation, but...
That's because real physics doesn't really apply. You're essentially inflating and deflating balloons.
What's your point? Other games have done it better.
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10-10-2009, 01:44 PM
Looking forward to engaging chevrons 1 and 2....
(why does my wife kick me everytime I post in this thread?)
Maybe she thinks your posts should be Big 'Uns. Most of you posts have just been snack trays.
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10-10-2009, 01:47 PM
boobposting
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10-10-2009, 02:05 PM
Not true, breast size varies with hormone levels, pregnancy, and water intake (since they are mostly fat) - although the good people at Dow can make them substantially bigger.
You've obviously never helped make a baby.....
Can't believe i have to re-iterate on it, but what the hey.
Not in a substantial way like the sliders in the character creator do and NOT in such a fast pace!
I was quoting someone telling people to go observe breast-size-change in the real world afterall *laugh*
Also i think men would love that line "HElp make a baby", removes all responsibility!
"Hey, i just helped make it!"
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10-10-2009, 02:59 PM
Can't believe i have to re-iterate on it, but what the hey.
Not in a substantial way like the sliders in the character creator do and NOT in such a fast pace!
I was quoting someone telling people to go observe breast-size-change in the real world afterall *laugh*
Also i think men would love that line "HElp make a baby", removes all responsibility!
"Hey, i just helped make it!"
Even during delivery of our first my wife reminded me of how much I helped. I clearly remember that day... I was there giving comfort and encouragement and she screamed at me "Don't Touch Me!" There was even moments of stuff like "You did this!" and... well you get the picture. Nine years and one child later (2 total), I don't regret helping, although my wife wouldn't do it all over again - I'm pretty sure of that
:p
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10-10-2009, 03:07 PM
Also i think weasels, slimeballs, and scumbags would love that line "HElp make a baby", removes all responsibility!
"Hey, i just helped make it!"
Corrected your statement...
MEN know that every team needs both a pitcher and a catcher and a QB can't complete a pass without a receiver... (sports metaphors "off")
MEN take responsibility and give love...
(wow, did that flip my "serious" switch or what???)
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10-10-2009, 03:55 PM
Corrected your statement...
MEN know that every team needs both a pitcher and a catcher and a QB can't complete a pass without a receiver... (sports metaphors "off")
MEN take responsibility and give love...
(wow, did that flip my "serious" switch or what???)
Snap out of it, my Brother, remember your NO MA'AM pledge !
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10-10-2009, 04:12 PM
This thread makes me think of this:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5-Tomb-Raider-Anniversary
Right about 3:10 or so. Oh, and the news short about the new Ninja Gaiden game at the end, too.
gah...i was laughing so hard (really can't say why) pepsi was pouring thru my nostrils.. :p
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10-10-2009, 04:38 PM
More like knocking DD's :D
But at the same time, I don't think female gamers should have difficulty in recreating an actual female anatomy should they choose to. So their should be highly exaggerated sliders with very small and very large... options.
Oh some of us do have difficulty. But comic book games have to make everything look comic book-ish. There isn't a female comic character that has a waist that isn't 2 inches across and boobs that are large round orbs.
It's something you get past eventually, or at least try to ignore like I do.
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10-10-2009, 04:41 PM
It ain't just women...
How many men do you know with pecs and abs similar to the average comic/game superhero? :rolleyes:
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10-10-2009, 06:25 PM
It ain't just women...
How many men do you know with pecs and abs similar to the average comic/game superhero? :rolleyes:
*Sighs* I can dream.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Kikillorulez#p/u/5/zoAZsXOTJy4
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10-10-2009, 06:37 PM
I just wish they would bonce, heave and jiggle. Enough of the concrete bra effect. Let em loose! Were the sixties all for naught? People, wake up. Free the TaTas
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10-10-2009, 06:49 PM
More like knocking DD's :D
But I digress.
Certainly they wouldn't make the mistake of trying to hide a change like this. Hiding things that aren't really such a big deal makes it all the more taboo/conspiratorial. Unless it's not a big deal and they did it anyways to try and make the game more family-friendly, then I'd have a problem. Big breasts on female superheroes is like... a tradition!
But at the same time, I don't think female gamers should have difficulty in recreating an actual female anatomy should they choose to. So their should be highly exaggerated sliders with very small and very large... options.
This is so problematic. I mean in this thread people equating "large breasts" with strippers and not being family friendly, even though women in the real world have all sizes of breasts regardless of occupation. Available breast sizes should not have anything to do with whether a game is family friendly, or a moral judgement on the woman who has them.
At the same time, Cryptic's handling is not exactly without problems either. :(
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10-10-2009, 06:51 PM
This is so problematic. I mean in this thread people equating "large breasts" with strippers and not being family friendly, even though women in the real world have all sizes of breasts regardless of occupation. Available breast sizes should not have anything to do with whether a game is family friendly, or a moral judgement on the woman who has them.
At the same time, Cryptic's handling is not exactly without problems either. :(
/agree
Many places where this can be improved in the game, starting with going back to old larger sizes for representation!
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10-10-2009, 06:59 PM
I just wish they would bonce, heave and jiggle. Enough of the concrete bra effect. Let em loose! Were the sixties all for naught? People, wake up. Free the TaTas
Are you sure (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20061025) you really want that?
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10-10-2009, 07:10 PM
Oh gosh, I really hope you're right! My character Miss Enchanted has her slider turned all the way down and she's still practically rocking DD's.
I don't think you've explored the sliders very thoroughly.
The chest slider isn't the only thing in play, and you can certainly make breasts more modestly sized than 36C (currently the average size for American women).
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10-10-2009, 09:52 PM
Um, just noticed that there seems to be a noticeable "reduction" in our female characters upper attribute size that somehow snuck into a patch?
I know Age of Conan had a Breastgate that saw a hidden reduction in breast size......
Is this the same with Champions?
I saw a female toon with triple D's in canada today. You sir, are smoking something illegal.
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10-11-2009, 12:47 AM
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/Sagittary/ChampionsOnline/Bodyshop/?action=view¤t=PreviewModest.jpg
Small breasted bodyshape. As someone mentioned, it's a lot more than just breast slider that affects it all. This shape actually has the breast slider maxed out. I could probably make it even smaller with more tweaking.
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10-11-2009, 12:58 AM
I just wish they would bonce, heave and jiggle. Enough of the concrete bra effect. Let em loose! Were the sixties all for naught? People, wake up. Free the TaTas
Yeah - why do the developers think I paid for this new GeForce card with PhysX support? Do they think I want particles in explosions? No! Bouncing Ta-Tas! :)
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10-11-2009, 02:38 AM
Corrected your statement...
MEN know that every team needs both a pitcher and a catcher and a QB can't complete a pass without a receiver... (sports metaphors "off")
MEN take responsibility and give love...
(wow, did that flip my "serious" switch or what???)
Yeah, i do think you need to lock the doors, kick the man out ot the pub and curl up with a bucket of Ben&Jerry *laugh*
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10-11-2009, 03:42 AM
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/Sagittary/ChampionsOnline/Bodyshop/?action=view¤t=PreviewModest.jpg
Small breasted bodyshape. As someone mentioned, it's a lot more than just breast slider that affects it all. This shape actually has the breast slider maxed out. I could probably make it even smaller with more tweaking.
You could make even smaller ones in open beta (http://api.ning.com/files/1gRQLp9Fu15up43z8QlJy8QQp1ojBYoKRv6onwBNTkjmphvUgJ yCQDfm9zJhtGQV2pMp8fV30JmfuVl2Cy6wxOz86Kl-2DpT/Amayanew.jpg).
Problem is the shading still makes them look a little biggish... and I don't have a side shot of her. They're basically completely flat, though. Mosquito bites, really.
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10-11-2009, 03:56 AM
Maybe she thinks your posts should be Big 'Uns. Most of you posts have just been snack trays.
Yes CO is Al Bundy friendly... how ever I do not wish to see odd strange clowns showing up at the neighborhood festival crafting questionable balloon animals for children... save that for OZ fest...
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10-11-2009, 04:36 AM
I noticed no difference... Hey, my eyes are up here!
I'll be in my bunk.
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10-11-2009, 09:53 AM
Does this look better? (http://www.owmyspleen.com/downloads/co/Vic1.jpg)
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10-11-2009, 10:42 AM
Does this look better? (http://www.owmyspleen.com/downloads/co/Vic1.jpg)
I believe they are working as intended.
The phrase "devil's dumplings" comes to mind.
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10-11-2009, 11:29 AM
Does this look better? (http://www.owmyspleen.com/downloads/co/Vic1.jpg)
Looks like back pain to me.
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10-11-2009, 11:39 AM
You could make even smaller ones in open beta (http://api.ning.com/files/1gRQLp9Fu15up43z8QlJy8QQp1ojBYoKRv6onwBNTkjmphvUgJ yCQDfm9zJhtGQV2pMp8fV30JmfuVl2Cy6wxOz86Kl-2DpT/Amayanew.jpg).
Problem is the shading still makes them look a little biggish... and I don't have a side shot of her. They're basically completely flat, though. Mosquito bites, really.
Well after a certain point, it's less female and more pre-puberty girl. Yes, there are some that are very small and even flat chested but as with very large breasts, those are the extremes, not the norm.
If folks really want a feminine figure with no breasts, it'd probably just be easier to have a new androgynous model rather than trying to force 50 polygons flat.
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10-11-2009, 01:02 PM
On an only semi-related note to this thread, I had a woman who was wearing one of those vest things without a bra (strong wind woulda shown nipples) walk up to me and yell at me for looking at her breasts. I wasn't, I was actually looking at her boyfriend's T-Shirt, but hey.. it sprang up in my mind to do this.
I pointed at my eyes and said, "These are mine." I pointed at her chest and said, "And those are yours. You dress those however you want, and I'll put my eyes wherever I want." My wife laughed and her boyfriend (poor guy really, to have a low enough self esteem to date someone that would go a wrong movement away from nude in public) really looked like he wanted to laugh also.
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10-11-2009, 02:18 PM
On an only semi-related note to this thread, I had a woman who was wearing one of those vest things without a bra (strong wind woulda shown nipples) walk up to me and yell at me for looking at her breasts. I wasn't, I was actually looking at her boyfriend's T-Shirt, but hey.. it sprang up in my mind to do this.
I pointed at my eyes and said, "These are mine." I pointed at her chest and said, "And those are yours. You dress those however you want, and I'll put my eyes wherever I want." My wife laughed and her boyfriend (poor guy really, to have a low enough self esteem to date someone that would go a wrong movement away from nude in public) really looked like he wanted to laugh also.
LOL
We get a few new people every week at our company (We have 1700 people total where I work) and it's always funny seeing what the new employees wear. They are told to dress very nice in Business casual with rules like one earing per ear - it's uber conservative - long suit skirts only.
SO last weak this plus size (I'm guessing 180lbs) lady comes in wearing a short short Can Can dress - really frilly and fancy like for Burlesque or Latin Dance or something.
:eek::eek::eek::eek:
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10-11-2009, 02:39 PM
Man hope they didn't mess up bewbs.... It'll ruin my powergirl knock off.....
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10-11-2009, 04:01 PM
Well after a certain point, it's less female and more pre-puberty girl. Yes, there are some that are very small and even flat chested but as with very large breasts, those are the extremes, not the norm.
If folks really want a feminine figure with no breasts, it'd probably just be easier to have a new androgynous model rather than trying to force 50 polygons flat.
Well, that was my 'samurai school girl' so between going for a middle of puberty age and trying to get a little asian, that breast size was about perfect.
But the point was to back you up in your reply that it's far from impossible to make small breasts.
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10-12-2009, 03:26 AM
I think the main problem is there isn't enough open minded and accepting people. Let people be what they want and how they want (As long as it doesn't break the TOS). If someone wants giant breasts then let them, if someone wants to be as flat as a wall then let them. Does it matter? It's their choice.
Its a dangerous road when you start to take options away.
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10-12-2009, 03:30 AM
Its a dangerous road when you start to take options away.
Wish someone would've said that when i was shooting holes in the Champions HQ walls and they told me i was being very naughty *frowns*
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10-12-2009, 08:33 AM
I wonder if they'll have to change the model to do it, much like CoH's Male and Huge, except with small and large breasts on females, in order to look correct.
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10-12-2009, 08:46 AM
I think the main problem is there isn't enough open minded and accepting people. Let people be what they want and how they want (As long as it doesn't break the TOS). If someone wants giant breasts then let them, if someone wants to be as flat as a wall then let them. Does it matter? It's their choice.
Its a dangerous road when you start to take options away.
so true :)
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10-12-2009, 10:00 AM
This is nothing. When the Dwarf Female's bouncy bosom from a certain other game turned to unmovable rocks, *that* was a "Breastgate." :p
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10-12-2009, 10:08 AM
Anybody else amused by the fact that any thread about the in-game breasts (for or against) gets a massive number of posts?
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10-12-2009, 10:13 AM
This is a funy topic. I recall looking at a lot of female characters with a larger chest than some pectoral muscles on male characters with their body mass indicator set to full. If the person deisgning their character intended their hero to look that way, fine I suppose. But it seems if there are now limitations on those sizes, this is not the only other area that Cryptic is curbing your imaginative possibilities. I recall some poster wanted to make an obese hero but couldn't. So for all those heroic breast avengers got a reduction - that's fine with me. It looked ridiculous to see in any case honestly.
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10-12-2009, 10:42 AM
Hmm. I'll try the tailor again, I made her during headstart and maybe the slider wasn't working correctly at the time or something. But I made "the girls" as small as I could get them and she still looked like a stripper.
The Body Mass slider heavily plays into this attribute. Body Mass and Breasts sliders seem to play off of each other in a multiplier way.
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10-12-2009, 12:31 PM
Well, that was my 'samurai school girl' so between going for a middle of puberty age and trying to get a little asian, that breast size was about perfect.
But the point was to back you up in your reply that it's far from impossible to make small breasts.
What I find funny is the idea that asians are boob-less. :) Being asian myself... half of my family has more than mosquito bumps. Puberty, sure. But yeah, adult asian females do really have boobs bigger than A cups and such.
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10-12-2009, 01:37 PM
In my opinion its always funny. Whenever somebody recognises large breasts its a bad thing. But I never hear somebody complaining about the muscle-shaped bodys of male heroes...
What I find funny is the idea that asians are boob-less. :) Being asian myself... half of my family has more than mosquito bumps. Puberty, sure. But yeah, adult asian females do really have boobs bigger than A cups and such.
Yes, its funny. One could think that the most people never heard about biology (puperty, childbirth etc...).
Btw. as far as I know the "asian" (I love generalisation ;) ) grow bigger facilities because of changed food habits. This also applys to "western" girls which start to grow bigger facilities because of fat centered food.
Well... I wonder when the men start to grow bigger muscles because of food ;)
Sahtep
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10-12-2009, 01:39 PM
Anybody else amused by the fact that any thread about the in-game breasts (for or against) gets a massive number of posts?
No, not really. Considering some of the other threads I've seen get up to the 20+ pages territory, I've come to terms with the sheer number of boobs on this forum. ;)
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10-12-2009, 08:28 PM
No, not really. Considering some of the other threads I've seen get up to the 20+ pages territory, I've come to terms with the sheer number of boobs on this forum. ;)
I'm pretty astounded myself. I guess I expected a few posts like "hey! Where have the large cup sizes gone? How dare you Cryptic!" or something to that effect.
But hey, when breasts are concerned, there is alot of teeting around.
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10-12-2009, 10:19 PM
(re-check)It's not THAT noticable on regular sized breasts atleast, if there's even a change.
The people tooting massive juggilars might notice it easier *laugh*
You do know breasts don't magically change sizes in the real world without a scalpel and a man with a porsche?
NOT TRUE!! You can knock her up for bigger boobies too ;)
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10-12-2009, 11:34 PM
Awwwwww....are all the nerdsie werdsies upset cause they can't make girls with big boobies???:pTurn off the computer for a day and go talk to real girls with real breasts.Man I'll probably get an infraction for this one.
*keeps charging beam cannon*
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10-12-2009, 11:49 PM
In my opinion its always funny. Whenever somebody recognises large breasts its a bad thing. But I never hear somebody complaining about the muscle-shaped bodys of male heroes..
Not really true... I wish there was more options to make male 'Young' super heroes. No matter how you try to work with the sliders, the male body doesn't look good unless it's a muscle bound oaf.
My young-gun is forced to use the female body shape because the male one doesn't look right. >.>, Then with there, I get the damn boob shadows, so that limits my costume options, and limits my colors to black.
As a 20 year old, somewhat feminine guy, it would be nice to at least make something REMOTELY resembling me. XD
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10-12-2009, 11:51 PM
Not really true... I wish there was more options to make male 'Young' super heroes. No matter how you try to work with the sliders, the male body doesn't look good unless it's a muscle bound oaf.
As a 20 year old, somewhat feminine guy, it would be nice to at least make something REMOTELY resembling me. XD
Man you might want to edit that choice of adjective about yourself outta there and fast.
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10-12-2009, 11:52 PM
Man you might want to edit that choice of adjective about yourself outta there and fast.
Why? If that's how he described himself I really doubt that any insult along those lines is going to affect him.
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10-12-2009, 11:53 PM
Why? If that's how he described himself I really doubt that any insult along those lines is going to affect him.
lol.....Heck if thats what he wants then flem flam I don't give a da*$.
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10-13-2009, 12:03 AM
In my opinion its always funny. Whenever somebody recognises large breasts its a bad thing. But I never hear somebody complaining about the muscle-shaped bodys of male heroes...
What's to complain about? :D
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10-13-2009, 12:37 AM
Awwwwww....are all the nerdsie werdsies upset cause they can't make girls with big boobies???:pTurn off the computer for a day and go talk to real girls with real breasts.
I don't know, you can get pretty far (http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5088/teddyeg.jpg) with the creator.
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10-13-2009, 12:44 AM
Not really true... I wish there was more options to make male 'Young' super heroes. No matter how you try to work with the sliders, the male body doesn't look good unless it's a muscle bound oaf.
My young-gun is forced to use the female body shape because the male one doesn't look right. >.>, Then with there, I get the damn boob shadows, so that limits my costume options, and limits my colors to black.
As a 20 year old, somewhat feminine guy, it would be nice to at least make something REMOTELY resembling me. XD
Yeah thats true. I tried to create a guy who looks more like the average "mr. nice guy next door" but failed. Its not only the body, it is the cheek bones and such as well...
At least when you build a female hero you have the chance to use small facilities and such (even if it is not perfect at the moment, it is possible).
On the other hand it is not possible to build a hulk like woman...
Btw.: what is more funny in my opinion is the fact that the usual female archetypes have very large facilities. I constantly forget to reduce them. Lucky me they invented the taylor....
Sahtep
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10-13-2009, 12:50 AM
Btw.: what is more funny in my opinion is the fact that the usual female archetypes have very large facilities. I constantly forget to reduce them. Lucky me they invented the taylor....
It's the way of the comics man! Big breastesses are like the yeast of marmite that is Champions!
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10-13-2009, 12:51 AM
What's to complain about? :D
Well... I don't know... whats to complain about big breasts? If somebody wants to use them, so what? In my opinion it depends on the kind of character and IIRC my characters uses nearly all options in both direction.
But its always funny to see people complain of the many people who are playing female heroes with DDD options. Its not the "average"? So what? If the average would be the top, the average would be less ;)
On the other side the muscles the male heroes are using are far, far away from the average. Maybe the RL en should feel insulted as some of the RL women apparently do...
I ever wonder how the extreme manly men dress themself as it is not possible to reach their own shoes ;)
Sahtep
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10-13-2009, 01:07 AM
Well... I don't know... whats to complain about big breasts? If somebody wants to use them, so what? In my opinion it depends on the kind of character and IIRC my characters uses nearly all options in both direction.
But its always funny to see people complain of the many people who are playing female heroes with DDD options. Its not the "average"? So what? If the average would be the top, the average would be less ;)
On the other side the muscles the male heroes are using are far, far away from the average. Maybe the RL en should feel insulted as some of the RL women apparently do...
I ever wonder how the extreme manly men dress themself as it is not possible to reach their own shoes ;)
Sahtep
If you mean those extremely beefcakey men, eck, no thanks ;)
But let's talk about the one factor that is prevalent about superheroes: They are often potrayed as having perfect physiques, and are most of the time, extremely good looking and attractive. Why not create a hero or heroine with a great body and flaunt it ;)
I am not sure why this is being made such a huge deal though...no pun intended.
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10-13-2009, 01:20 AM
If you mean those extremely beefcakey men, eck, no thanks ;)
Yepp. They are icky, aren't they?
But let's talk about the one factor that is prevalent about superheroes: They are often potrayed as having perfect physiques, and are most of the time, extremely good looking and attractive. Why not create a hero or heroine with a great body and flaunt it ;)
I am not sure why this is being made such a huge deal though...no pun intended.
That is what I wanted to point out. I don|t understand the fuss as well, I just wanted to say that I find it remarkable that people are always complaining about female facilities. If people are complaining in my opinion they should also complain about the other side, which means the male facilities.
But they aren't and that is what makes me wonder...
I don't have problems if somebody wants to play a wonder woman shaped girl or a superman shaped man. Whatever suits them. I am just wondering about the complaining people...
Sahtep
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10-13-2009, 01:24 AM
(re-check)It's not THAT noticable on regular sized breasts atleast, if there's even a change.
The people tooting massive juggilars might notice it easier *laugh*
You do know breasts don't magically change sizes in the real world without a scalpel and a man with a porsche?
Or pregnancies or a high milk product diet ...
Or 'that time'...
Depending on the female :p
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10-13-2009, 01:42 AM
Or pregnancies or a high milk product diet ...
Or 'that time'...
Depending on the female :p
Yeah i re-iterated it later *laugh*
Trust the comic nerds to point out those things eh?
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10-13-2009, 04:05 AM
I am not sure why this is being made such a huge deal though...no pun intended.
Actually... shhhh... I'll let you in on a secret...
*looks around conspiratorily*
The whole thing is a joke. Aside from a few people posting the legitimate concern over yet another possible restriction to costume creation options, IE, the devs making it so we just plain can't make some concepts, most of this thread has been people taking the joke of "men obsessed with boobies" so far that it becomes absurd, in a form of humor known as satire - trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly. However, much like third-generation Goths, there are those who don't get the joke, and are taking it seriously, as is so often the case in a text-based format.
It helps to go back and read the first few pages as if they're dialog for characters from Airplane. ;)
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10-13-2009, 04:23 AM
XD noticed NO diffrence in my female toons.. FYI body mass does affect breast size as well as the breast size indicator and chest deapth indicator affects this size as well .. (Also kinda makes them look like their spine is crooked and they got a hump on their back if its all the way up)
Im sure there are FAR more serious issues to be dealt with however
Nudge Unkillable untargetable Zombies
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10-13-2009, 05:32 AM
Size, size, size. I swear most guys are virgins. They also come in various shapes. :D
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10-13-2009, 05:44 AM
XD noticed NO diffrence in my female toons.. FYI body mass does affect breast size as well as the breast size indicator and chest deapth indicator affects this size as well .. (Also kinda makes them look like their spine is crooked and they got a hump on their back if its all the way up)
Actually, it really doesn't. What chest depth/width does is increase the size of the ribcage, which doesn't actually impact breast size, just the volume of the ribs themselves. I've seen lots and lots of people who have tried this, and ended up with what I called Mutant Carrot Torso Syndrome in an earlier post dealing with pretty much exactly this topic.
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10-13-2009, 07:41 AM
I've always imagined a scene in the Cryptic office that went thusly:
Dev 1. So I think we've got the female version of the character creator pegged down and ready for the testers now. All the attribute sliders are functioning properly, as are the costume options... Here, take a look
Dev 2. * Peers at the screen * Looking good, great work, but wow; that’s a whole lotta’ boobage going on there!
Dev 1. Oh yeh, haha, well, have you seen modern comics? It’s what people will expect, you know... Here, I can tweak the slider down to show you how they would look if a little sma....
Dev 2. No, no. No need for that. Infact, make it so that Boobs are ALWAYS at the maximum available size with the slider all the way up by default. We might as well save our players a couple of extra clicks and drags, they’re only gonna max it out anyway...
Dev 1. * Nods and dutifully makes the change, while weeping softly for mankind *
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10-13-2009, 08:16 AM
I'd just like to post in support of breasts everywhere. Don't worry, I care.
Save the Ta-Ta's! (http://www.savethetatas.com/)
(It's not porn, it's for breast cancer awareness . . . pervs)
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10-13-2009, 08:19 AM
I'd just like to post in support of breasts everywhere. Don't worry, I care.
Save the Ta-Ta's! (http://www.savethetatas.com/)
(It's not porn, it's for breast cancer awareness . . . pervs)
We laughed quite hard the first time we saw one of their bumper stickers. Just simply awesome for BC awareness.
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10-13-2009, 08:21 AM
PeeVeePee nerfed the breasts
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10-13-2009, 08:52 AM
Not really true... I wish there was more options to make male 'Young' super heroes. No matter how you try to work with the sliders, the male body doesn't look good unless it's a muscle bound oaf.
My young-gun is forced to use the female body shape because the male one doesn't look right. >.>, Then with there, I get the damn boob shadows, so that limits my costume options, and limits my colors to black.
As a 20 year old, somewhat feminine guy, it would be nice to at least make something REMOTELY resembling me. XD
It's possible. It's a royal pain to have to go through every slider and figure out how they interact with one another (because it's NEVER a case where one slider controls just one body part). I had to "age up" Boytoy because I couldn't get him looking the way I wanted with him being 14 years old. Now he's 18 and I think I did a passable job of it.
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10-13-2009, 10:09 AM
Now he's 18 and I think I did a passable job of it.
Boytoy is scary. I think I saw someone that looked like that the last time someone tricked me into going to the Castro on Halloween.
Good job. :)
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10-13-2009, 10:18 AM
PeeVeePee nerfed the breasts
Breasts and Nerf... anyone seeing a connection here?
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10-13-2009, 10:39 AM
Breasts and Nerf... anyone seeing a connection here?
Only one that would never wind up in a Toys R Us.
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10-13-2009, 10:55 AM
This is one screwed up thread.....
Seconded.
Eh, but then, this is the Internet, which is apparently for porn. Also, MMORPGs probably have the majority of their population amongst lads of an age that still find trivial matters of ladies' frontal anatomy absolutely fascinating.
As for me, I haven't noticed any real difference in breast size. I do know they're trying to fix the problem with bandoleers and whatnot showing up crooked, and that might have necessitated certain changes to the upper/lower bounds.
The sad thing about threads like these is the developers take them seriously and spend time fixing them instead of, say, stopping Rituals from dispelling Circles.
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10-13-2009, 11:01 AM
Breasts and Nerf... anyone seeing a connection here?
Cleavage happens some people just have more to brag about.. no need to be envious or shy...
US Angels is "miss"ed def a grown toon...
Witchcrafts Projection by Burnside's shows more then "she" did..
You should have seen Blue Bunny in CN.. dressed like a playboy casino girl.. classy sassy and fun.
I miss the Foxbat fanboy Nerf Finger I had i n beta .. go to Bullet for Bissell and start smacking the crowd who needed a metal detector..
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10-13-2009, 11:10 AM
MMORPGs probably have the majority of their population amongst lads of an age that still find trivial matters of ladies' frontal anatomy absolutely fascinating.
All questions of the triviality of ladies' frontal anatomy aside, I think I explained this earlier; I suppose it's possible that some kind of html error is preventing it from being seen by anyone else. I'm also tempted to point out that there's been some level of contribution from at least a couple of actual females (so far as we know, anyway), so I suppose that adds some slight tinge of credibility to these proceedings. I certainly know that most of the females I know in real life would find this thread hilarious.
Finally, in closing:
"Maturity is the confidence to be immature, and the wisdom to know when."
:cool:
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10-13-2009, 11:47 AM
Seconded.
Eh, but then, this is the Internet, which is apparently for porn. Also, MMORPGs probably have the majority of their population amongst lads of an age that still find trivial matters of ladies' frontal anatomy absolutely fascinating.
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I know what you mean. Definitely not a trivial matter. Afterall, that's why I got married.
Now I own the whole dairy, if you know what I mean ;)
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10-13-2009, 12:54 PM
I noticed a difference in my toon as well, I thought it was just my imagination at first but now that I hear about this I don't think it was in my head anymore. Give back the Giant Sized Cans!
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10-13-2009, 04:55 PM
I noticed a difference in my toon as well, I thought it was just my imagination at first but now that I hear about this I don't think it was in my head anymore. Give back the Giant Sized Cans!
Finally!!!!! Someone else sees it. It is real!
Cryptic SHAME on you sneaking this in.
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10-14-2009, 09:48 AM
Not noticing it on my alts. If anything, Violca seems to have increased in bustsize. She was supposed to be "athletic, but curvy" but now I think that the "vixen" stance is more of a spinal disorder caused by all that mass...
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10-14-2009, 10:57 AM
they can still be quite huge if that's what you want. bodymass is definitely a factor there.
when the game first came out, it seemed the smallest cans were still big. but i can definitely make them more petite now. yay, regularboobies!
i'm still waiting for the fatty tatties option for men.
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10-14-2009, 11:11 AM
they can still be quite huge if that's what you want. bodymass is definitely a factor there.
when the game first came out, it seemed the smallest cans were still big. but i can definitely make them more petite now. yay, regularboobies!
i'm still waiting for the fatty tatties option for men.
Someone hasn't met Dr. Manboobs yet...
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10-15-2009, 07:55 AM
Castro on Halloween
:eek:
The horror... The horror...
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10-15-2009, 01:02 PM
:eek:
The horror... The horror...
I guess. I'd honestly consider Halloween at the Catholic High School I went to to be worse, in a number of ways. At least the Castro boys are more or less honest about what they're after. ;)
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10-15-2009, 03:45 PM
Are we still bouncing this subject back and forth?
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10-15-2009, 04:03 PM
Are we still bouncing this subject back and forth?
*looking at the sig*
... Yes ... think you can phrase it this way ... ;)
Sahtep
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10-15-2009, 04:38 PM
Wow, this topic is still alive. Was the reduction in breast size really that devestating to players? LOL.
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10-15-2009, 08:50 PM
Wow, this topic is still alive. Was the reduction in breast size really that devestating to players? LOL.
You'd be surprised. The target audience may/may not help this.
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10-15-2009, 09:21 PM
You'd be surprised. The target audience may/may not help this.
I used to hang out at a local comic book shop, until it went out of business due to not carrying enough cheesy mainstream junk to make sales numbers. The manager, who was an actual female comic fan (!), had a rather different view on the typical depiction of female figures in comics: she liked them... and would complain about comics that went for a more "realistic" version. Her reason was that the exaggeration of the female figure in comic books (and video games) had passed the point of being purile pandering to male urges and had moved into the territory of being a running joke about the artists and fans themselves. By giving these people the opportunity to ogle unrealistic women, it ensures they continue to demonstrate precisely how juvenile and piggish they are... making them look like fools, which amused her. She also believed that, by continually reinforcing an unrealistic image of the female body, it ensured that these same people would generally not find real women attractive and, as a result, wouldn't breed. The best part, to her mind, was that the people primarily responsible for continuing the running joke had no idea they were involved in making themselves and others look like shallow fools.
When asked about the impact of such unrealistic body images on females, her response was best summed up as "Any woman stupid enough to let this garbage define her self-image deserves what she gets."
For my part, I also enjoy these kinds of depictions... because it gives me an opportunity to take the cliche stereotype and exaggerate it to the point of being a satirical dig at the people who do this stuff seriously. It also gives me an added bonus, in that sometimes I come across someone who lacks the wit to understand the joke, but is absolutely determined to be offended and, thus, makes themselves a target. ;)
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10-15-2009, 09:56 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/Sagittary/ChampionsOnline/Breastgate/myst.jpg
Met someone in-game the other day who did an -outstanding- job of making a flatchested female.
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10-15-2009, 11:18 PM
I used to hang out at a local comic book shop, until it went out of business due to not carrying enough cheesy mainstream junk to make sales numbers. The manager, who was an actual female comic fan (!), had a rather different view on the typical depiction of female figures in comics: she liked them... and would complain about comics that went for a more "realistic" version. Her reason was that the exaggeration of the female figure in comic books (and video games) had passed the point of being purile pandering to male urges and had moved into the territory of being a running joke about the artists and fans themselves. By giving these people the opportunity to ogle unrealistic women, it ensures they continue to demonstrate precisely how juvenile and piggish they are... making them look like fools, which amused her. She also believed that, by continually reinforcing an unrealistic image of the female body, it ensured that these same people would generally not find real women attractive and, as a result, wouldn't breed. The best part, to her mind, was that the people primarily responsible for continuing the running joke had no idea they were involved in making themselves and others look like shallow fools.
Women like that give women a bad name *laugh*
Ofcourse she would have NO problem with the male bodies in comics.
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10-16-2009, 05:38 AM
When I made my second nemesis I noticed that when I went into the body slides that the breast slider was automatically on the highest setting. I thought that odd and unnecessary.
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10-16-2009, 08:30 AM
It's kinda funny I probably wouldn't have noticed it unless someone brought it to my attention...All my female toons have cartoonishly large uhhhh.....'pecs' and after reading this thread I logged in and looked and I did actually notice a marginal decrease in breast size...
Then I looked again and noticed that not ALL of them had were maxed in the breast department....my robotic toon isn't *snicker* cuz that would have looked dumb....There's probably a really pedestrian and mechanical reason they had to reduce them...as someone pointed out, the original maximum dimensions actually looked sorta off and made it look like the toon's spine was curved out at the breast point in an unnatural way....
Very funny thread though. I have no real opinion on this, although it occurs to me I have something of a fixation with large breasts, if you consider my female toons that is (pokes fun at self) *snicker*
:D
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10-16-2009, 01:25 PM
Someone hasn't met Dr. Manboobs yet...
dr. man. boobs?
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10-16-2009, 01:48 PM
Women like that give women a bad name *laugh*
Worse than the bad name given to men by the men she's laughing at? I prefer her outlook to the one that bursts into flames and attempts to ban and burn anything vaguely offensive. ;)
I asked her about depictions of men. Her response was "I like looking at men. So what?"
When I made my second nemesis I noticed that when I went into the body slides that the breast slider was automatically on the highest setting. I thought that odd and unnecessary.
That would be because, for females, the default body type is "Vixen", just like the default stance type. The other basic body types do not have maxed boobs. I don't think having the default be Vixen is necessary, either, but I don't find it odd... remember CO is based on Golden Age comics.
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10-16-2009, 02:07 PM
"oh no a breast reduction!! thats like slapping God in the face!
on no man she had back problems and stuff
oh ok"
Does this mean my charcter's super lactating was nerfed
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10-16-2009, 06:07 PM
I don't know if I care about breast size in the game, but this thread should be bronzed. :D
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10-16-2009, 06:30 PM
It's an interesting contrast in this thread... Many people are cheerfully examining the subject from every angle, weighing the options, trying to get a feel for the situation. The more serious types just want to get something off their chests.
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10-16-2009, 06:56 PM
dr. man. boobs?
http://i26.tinypic.com/16k3qjl.jpg
-np
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10-16-2009, 10:33 PM
It's an interesting contrast in this thread... Many people are cheerfully examining the subject from every angle, weighing the options, trying to get a feel for the situation. The more serious types just want to get something off their chests.
It is interesting, especially when you pair them up that way. I know I did a Double-Take when brushing over a couple of the posts.
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10-16-2009, 10:42 PM
It is interesting, especially when you pair them up that way. I know I did a Double-Take when brushing over a couple of the posts.
I'm just in it for the boob jok... er... opportunity to have a robust conversation about a weighty and active subject of massive importance for so much of the target demographic. Ahem.
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11-29-2009, 08:14 AM
Cool, glad i found this thread. I thought i was going crazy as it seemed my toons "boobs" were smaller. I noticed this becuase...well, yeah anyway. My 2 cents, "Bring back the boobies (not the birds)!" :D
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11-29-2009, 09:30 AM
Personally, I think this is quite a weighty matter, with significant heft. Any truly robust game system would handle this sort of issue quickly and expediently.
LOL XD
But this really is an issue (not that I even made a female charecter yet) but for a game to sneak in something that limits customizatation when thats the game's main feature is stupid
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11-29-2009, 11:12 AM
Cool, glad i found this thread. I thought i was going crazy as it seemed my toons "boobs" were smaller. I noticed this becuase...well, yeah anyway. My 2 cents, "Bring back the boobies (not the birds)!" :D
Forgot about breast enlargements being a priority in this game. Is it really that important? You don't hear the men complaining about no crotch enhancements for our outfits do you? And please don't give the excuse that you can't make your envisioned heroine the way you like.
Everyone has to be superfit and athletic, because that's the real world (this sentence is sarcasm). :)
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11-29-2009, 11:18 AM
Forgot about breast enlargements being a priority in this game. Is it really that important? You don't hear the men complaining about no crotch enhancements for our outfits do you? And please don't give the excuse that you can't make your envisioned heroine the way you like.
Everyone has to be superfit and athletic, because that's the real world (this sentence is sarcasm). :)
i demand a slider for crotch size!
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11-29-2009, 11:01 PM
i demand a slider for crotch size!
So do I. Without the ability to pad his codpiece, this guy (http://www.champions-online.com/character_profiles/1453853/biography) just seems... inadequate. Get on it, devs! /fingersnap