Relax about the retcon, guys

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It will come. I'm betting that the developers are waiting until Celestial is released so that they do not need to offer two additional retcons inside of one month. The previous two already appear to have spoiled people into thinking that free retcons will be frequent. I would not be surprised if they are deliberately trying to break that assumption. I would.

Is it impossible for people to be reasonable and patient? If your character is fatally flawed, then ask people to group with you, or play an alt. The retcon will be coming, it's no mystery that it can be done and has been done in the past and it will be offered again. The developers understand that one is desired. They probably figured it out on their own before anyone even posted a request. They're rather clever that way.

The dead horse you're beating was outside before the barn door was closed...or...something.

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I am glad you know this for certain, as I am certain I wouldn't want to be saying this and then finding out there was no free respec when bloodmoon was released.

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Wise words, but if we just could get it confirmed that a free retcon is coming, and hopefully when, then we could all get some rest.

I for instance, play a Might character and I want to try something new since I have noticed that MIght aint that good for Pvp reasons (melee energy builder among other things) so I would like a retcon.
But if a GM or something could post a confirmation my mind would be at ease.

Cheers

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On the one hand, I almost hate the idea of them offering a free retcon/respec/whatever they're calling it now when Celestial comes out, because everyone and their dog will be switching to Celestial. And a lot of people will find that they don't like it or it doesn't fit their concept or whatever, which will spawn a lot of moaning on the forums for MORE freespecs.

On the other hand, I know of at least three people in my SG who have "angelic" themed characters who will eat the Celestial set up since that's more what they were going for in the first place. So I guess I'm on the fence about a freespec.

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I hope there is never another free retcon in the hsitory of CO!!

All they do is promote FoTM.

"Well, these got nerfed, so let's just recon to this!"

Stop it.

just stop.

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On the one hand, I almost hate the idea of them offering a free retcon/respec/whatever they're calling it now when Celestial comes out, because everyone and their dog will be switching to Celestial. And a lot of people will find that they don't like it or it doesn't fit their concept or whatever, which will spawn a lot of moaning on the forums for MORE freespecs.

On the other hand, I know of at least three people in my SG who have "angelic" themed characters who will eat the Celestial set up since that's more what they were going for in the first place. So I guess I'm on the fence about a freespec.

Who won't grab the celestial set on at least one toon? lol

The set just from the powers and there descriptions is almost ganrunteed to be in need of some major "Balancing" soon after it hits live lol.

All the powers will either heal or do dmg, making any other heal a bad choice really accept for self heals.

The buff gives a buff to damage or healing.

The AoE heals or does dmg lol.

The buff/debuff is one or the other depending on your current target.

The active defense only throws a 30 second cooldown on other active defenses, and unless I'm mistaken the norm is they all get put on a 90 second cooldown.

That free retcon comes before the Celestial power set lands and things won't be so bad, if the free retcon comes when the Celestial power set lands then we may have some issues lol.

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I would be perfectly happy if they never hand out another free one again. I still haven't used one. At most I've had to undo the last 3 - 5 levels and frankly that isn't to expensive to do anymore. So I can't really see the need for a bigger retcon.

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I am glad you know this for certain, as I am certain I wouldn't want to be saying this and then finding out there was no free respec when bloodmoon was released.

I am not certain, but I would be pretty amazed if, after a few more iterations of patching, and a more balanced system, plus the introduction of a set of healing powers specifically to bolster healing concept characters who are generally seen as underperforming at the moment nothing was done. That was my point. They have the ability, they haven't been stingy about it in the past. The developers and GMs are players too. They get it. That's what I'm trying to say.

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there is no relaxing about it. last time cryptic was prompt in stating there will be a retcon, and the contents of that patch were equal or less profound than this one. the TK shield change alone warrants a free retcon.

so I will NOT relax about it.

I want my free retcon.

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there is no relaxing about it. last time cryptic was prompt in stating there will be a retcon, and the contents of that patch were equal or less profound than this one. the TK shield change alone warrants a free retcon.

so I will NOT relax about it.

I want my free retcon.

THIS!

...is why I don't team in this game.

There is a whole slew of self-serving, demanding, ME ME ME people here.

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I would be perfectly happy if they never hand out another free one again. I still haven't used one. At most I've had to undo the last 3 - 5 levels and frankly that isn't to expensive to do anymore. So I can't really see the need for a bigger retcon.

I've used both of mine for Boytoy, but both were for RP purposes (first I gave him some Sorcery powers, then I took them back out). I'm not a huge fan of the freespecs myself, I think it kind of goes against the point of leveling a character to start with. But I can see where they'd occasionally be needed, when a power's functionality is completely altered. I just wish people would stop the "free retcon! free retcon! free retcon!" chant with every patch. 99.99% of the time they're unnecessary because nothing was changed significantly enough to warrant one.

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I would be perfectly happy if they never hand out another free one again. I still haven't used one. At most I've had to undo the last 3 - 5 levels and frankly that isn't to expensive to do anymore. So I can't really see the need for a bigger retcon.

I also have retcons on I believe 5/7 of my toons. In fact, I even have toons with their powers stripped down and waiting to reallocate, PLUS the free retcon on top of that, meaning some of my toons have 2 retcons stil.

I realize that my situation doesn't apply to everyone, and it's frankly a little selfish to post "I don't care if YOU get your retcon because I have one in the bank...har har!"

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I also have retcons on I believe 5/7 of my toons. I realize that my situation doesn't apply to everyone, and it's frankly a little selfish to post "I don't care if YOU get your retcon because I have one in the bank...har har!"

I have some, and if I could give them to others, I gladly would.

I won't use them.

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I hope there is never another free retcon in the hsitory of CO!!

All they do is promote FoTM.

"Well, these got nerfed, so let's just recon to this!"

Stop it.

just stop.

Totally agree. Just a little thought into your build, a little trial and error goes far when determining powers.

Of course, this is much easier for those not chasing the FOTM.

Its been explained a million times on these forums WHY easy/excessive Retcons would be bad.

I think that if you're retconning alot, its not the game...its YOU.

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I think that if you're retconning alot, its not the game...its YOU.

It's definitely also the game. The goalposts have moved a bit for many powers, and for the general mechanics of how stats impact play. Unless you have a crystal ball, it's unreasonable to suggest that just sitting down and thinking very carefully would be able to prepare you for that.

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there is no relaxing about it. last time cryptic was prompt in stating there will be a retcon, and the contents of that patch were equal or less profound than this one. the TK shield change alone warrants a free retcon.

so I will NOT relax about it.

I want my free retcon.

So let me get this straight. You took a power that was generally accepted as being too powerful, it was changed to be in line with the rest of the powers, and you think this entitles you to a free respec so you can pick the next thing that is generally accepted as being too powerful instead?

There is a good reason why they gave out free respecs with the first few patches. The day one patch dramatically changed the way the game played for the majority of head starters and the economy was broken at the time so they could not afford to respec the normal way. Now that you can afford your own retcons using normal game mechanics the need for free respecs is diminished. You will likely not see another one for a few months. I also doubt they will give them out when introducing new power sets since you should be able to afford it at that point and the intent with new power sets is for people to create new characters so they can experience the power set while leveling allowing them to learn how to use it.

On every single one of my characters that I have played since the economy fixes, I could afford a full to pay for a full retcon with the money I have earned by just playing the game normally (missions and selling drops that I don't use for crafting). Why can't you?

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I'm betting that the developers are waiting until Celestial is released so that they do not need to offer two additional retcons inside of one month.
Why would they need to offer a retcon when they add a new set?

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Now that you can afford your own retcons using normal game mechanics the need for free respecs is diminished.

I'm not sure about your retcon, but mine would cost about 600 G. I'm doing okay, but I don't have that much to throw at a retcon.

Why would they need to offer a retcon when they add a new set?

That's a fair question. Again, I don't know. I am guessing with the frustrations people have with healing in game, they would offer it to allow people to easily opt into the new system so that their healers are fun to play and healing is desirable.

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You know what I want a free retcon. Not because I got some nerfed powers. Only because I want to change my energy builder with my toon to go with a new theme. I am not a pvp and I dont care about the next best power. I started retconing powers and learned fast that it is just to expencesive to retcon that far back to my third slot. I added it up and if I start retconing I will only get about halfway through the list and that is basicly all of what I saved from lvl1 to lvl37 so if they give one out next addon yay hurray. If not..... I got alot of farming to do lol.

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Ok so is this the thread offering the hat-wearing-ponies-wrapped-in-bacon?

....I smell pizza again...what the?

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Ok so is this the thread offering the hat-wearing-ponies-wrapped-in-bacon?

....I smell pizza again...what the?

No, this is the one offering bacon made from hat wearing ponies.

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No, this is the one offering bacon made from hat wearing ponies.

Aw nuts. Wrong line. Thanks for the heads up.

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Its been explained a million times on these forums WHY easy/excessive Retcons would be bad.

I'd really appreciate a link to those threads, as all I've seen so far has been one convoluted logical fallacy after another. :rolleyes:

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I'd have to say I agree. This game would be better for it if there was never another full free retcon. As it is, with the two(I believe), people have developed a sense of entitlement with them. It promotes cookie cutter flavour of the month builds. People only seem to grab the broken overpowered abilities and then swap them out for the new broken OPed abilities. I have no problem with that persay... but it should be on the players dime, not Cryptics. Otherwise there really exists no point in having an economy ingame.

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It will come. I'm betting that the developers are waiting until Celestial is released so that they do not need to offer two additional retcons inside of one month. The previous two already appear to have spoiled people into thinking that free retcons will be frequent. I would not be surprised if they are deliberately trying to break that assumption. I would.

Is it impossible for people to be reasonable and patient? If your character is fatally flawed, then ask people to group with you, or play an alt. The retcon will be coming, it's no mystery that it can be done and has been done in the past and it will be offered again. The developers understand that one is desired. They probably figured it out on their own before anyone even posted a request. They're rather clever that way.

The dead horse you're beating was outside before the barn door was closed...or...something.

why relax

the GM's told us to come on here and complain(im not kidding, they are literaly telling people to complain on the forums)

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why relax

the GM's told us to come on here and complain(im not kidding, they are literaly telling people to complain on the forums)

Pics or it didn't happen.

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I'd have to say I agree. This game would be better for it if there was never another full free retcon. As it is, with the two(I believe), people have developed a sense of entitlement with them. It promotes cookie cutter flavour of the month builds. People only seem to grab the broken overpowered abilities and then swap them out for the new broken OPed abilities. I have no problem with that persay... but it should be on the players dime, not Cryptics. Otherwise there really exists no point in having an economy ingame.

Actually some people actually got three..

But seriously if people keep going to FoTM builds then they will always want them. Why not actually spend the Resources and do it that way. I guess it's easier to come and whine or troll or whatever on the forums instead of going out and working for somethings.

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Otherwise there really exists no point in having an economy ingame.

Was there ever a point?

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I have six characters and none of them have ever been nerfed into "uselessness" or even to the point I noticed a negative change.

I am AWESOME. :D

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But seriously if people keep going to FoTM builds...

Help me out here. Is the presumption that this game will always have broken, laughably exploitable builds and powers?

Because I'm starting to see that trite little "FotM" acronym bandied about more often than "WMDs" during the Bush administration as a rationale to fear everything.

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Pics or it didn't happen.

put in a gm ticket asking for a retcon and watch what they tell you to do

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I don't want a free respec, I want more character slots. I only have one left, which I use for messing with costumes... and I'm a Lifetime Sub, too. I really don't want to use that last slot for a Celestial character, and none of my current concepts supports retconning into the tree.

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Help me out here. Is the presumption that this game will always have broken, laughably exploitable builds and powers?

Because I'm starting to see that trite little "FotM" acronym bandied about more often than "WMDs" during the Bush administration as a rationale to fear everything.

FoTM builds will exist regardless of how big of a gap exists between optimal and standard builds. There will ALWAYS be something that gives people even the slightest advantage. If they want to keep following that advantage.. then good for them.. but it should be at the cost of their own time spent earning the resources to respec. It should not be because "power X was nerfed slightly, I want a retcon to get power Y". Initially.. yeah, there were drastic changes.. so retcons were given, now though.. I say make them pay for it if thats what they want to do.

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put in a gm ticket asking for a retcon and watch what they tell you to do

What they should do is tell you that you've already gotten 2 and to now buy them using Resources..

If it was me I'd be tired of all the people complaining for a new retcon everytime a patch is released.

In addition Cryptic_Fan_101,
see Hrushka's post above, couldn't have explained the FoTM trite being passed around better..

P.S.

FoTM builds are real, those WMDs were not, but that's a discussion for a whole nother forum.

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That's a fair question. Again, I don't know. I am guessing with the frustrations people have with healing in game, they would offer it to allow people to easily opt into the new system so that their healers are fun to play and healing is desirable.

But the problems with healing in this game have nothing to do with the current sets and everything to do with aggro. Adding a new tree doesnt solve any of that. Just because a new healing FoTM build is added doesnt mean that everyone should be able to spec into it easily. If that were the case, there would be retcons with every patch.

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I think it would be reasonable for them to give out a free retcon with the release of a new framework in order for people to refine the concepts for existing characters. For example, if Psi Healing was the closest I could come to fulfilling my healer concept, I might have taken that power and built my whole character around it. But the Celestial powers will work very differently, and might fit my concept much better. So it would be cool to have a free retcon to help me realize that concept.

I ALSO think it would be reasonable for them to NOT give out a free retcon, and to say, if you really want to build a character concept around powers that work this way, make a new character and build him.

I don't have any expectations either way. My hope is that we will move away from free retcons being handed out like penny candy.

Powerhouse paid retcons are pretty much dirt cheap now, people. You don't need those free ones as bad as some of you think you do.

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FoTM builds will exist regardless of how big of a gap exists between optimal and standard builds. There will ALWAYS be something that gives people even the slightest advantage. If they want to keep following that advantage.. then good for them.. but it should be at the cost of their own time spent earning the resources to respec. It should not be because "power X was nerfed slightly, I want a retcon to get power Y". Initially.. yeah, there were drastic changes.. so retcons were given, now though.. I say make them pay for it if thats what they want to do.

I'm already paying to play the game. If something was broken, I was forced to omit it because it simply wasn't working when I made my character, or the impact of ability scores were radically changed, or new power sets were added (Celestial is the first of many to come), I don't think it's unreasonable to allow people to rebuild their characters. I was told I could play the hero I wanted to be. If the game didn't allow for it, and now it does, and I'm already paying, why should I pay more for the "right" to get what one could argue should have been there in the first place? Should we also have to pay for the patches as well, on a per-patch basis, in order to be entitled to continue to play? That is tantamount to what you are proposing if the only option is to pay.

Furthermore, your argument regarding paid respecs, when in the context of your other observations regarding FotM builds, introduces a worse problem than a free and general respec for all. If someone is as dedicated to being the latest and greatest in "optimized" builds, what is $10 to get it? If we assume that there will always be abusive powers, then your suggestion that one merely need to pony up a little real-world cash is only going to empower min/maxers.

For this reason, any argument against a respec due to "FotM abuse" is inherantly flawed. You're arguing that, because the system is necessarily imbalanced, problems will inevitably arise. You can only rationally decide how to proceed based on the idea that eventually some semblance of balance will be achieved. But with or without that, a free respec would benefit everyone equally. There is nothing inherantly imbalancing in giving one out; everyone has one then.

IPowerhouse paid retcons are pretty much dirt cheap now, people. You don't need those free ones as bad as some of you think you do.

They're dirt cheap if you're low level. I think your tag is showing. :p

If you think 600 Globals is "dirt cheap", can I have some of your money? I have a friend who's stuck with Defiance, and without Defensive Combo to feed stacks into it quickly, I'm afraid she's crippled unless grouped with a competant Protector.

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FoTM builds will exist regardless of how big of a gap exists between optimal and standard builds. There will ALWAYS be something that gives people even the slightest advantage. If they want to keep following that advantage.. then good for them.. but it should be at the cost of their own time spent earning the resources to respec. It should not be because "power X was nerfed slightly, I want a retcon to get power Y". Initially.. yeah, there were drastic changes.. so retcons were given, now though.. I say make them pay for it if thats what they want to do.

If the advantage to a so-called "FotM" build is 0.0000001% relative to everything else... does it really merit concern or pursuit, much less the hackneyed label?

At the very least, can we stop assuming anyone/everyone less than enchanted with the current retcon system is a rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth, power-gaming munchkin? Or is that too much to ask?

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I don't care! I want my retcon NOW and wait until Celestial is released, just because I am impatient and undeserving like that!

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They're dirt cheap if you're low level. I think your tag is showing. :p
Whoops! :o

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I don't care! I want my retcon NOW and wait until Celestial is released, just because I am impatient and undeserving like that!

im sure there are people who are trying to weasle there way into one to save for celestial
unfortunately, your statement is immature and un-needed and the reason why these threads get stupid fast

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It's definitely also the game. The goalposts have moved a bit for many powers, and for the general mechanics of how stats impact play. Unless you have a crystal ball, it's unreasonable to suggest that just sitting down and thinking very carefully would be able to prepare you for that.

I hear ya. I just don't really min/max or worry too much about it which helps. I haven't even used the first free retcons yet. I just try to pick a good balance of powers based on concepts I have and haven't had any problems.

My statement was more directed at ppl crying for free retcons after every little change or the fact that they are retconning their toons every few levels. Thats all. Just these people who will never be happy with their build no matter what. They then turn around and blame the game.

I guess my point is, to me (Yes, just to me) the Retcon Situation is over rated and out of control. Ppl are demanding retcons for every little thing it seems like. Sure there have been some changes, but not that drastic that after every patch we need a free retcon.

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im sure there are people who are trying to weasle there way into one to save for celestial
unfortunately, your statement is immature and un-needed and the reason why these threads get stupid fast

Yea, and it's too bad you didn't realize it was a joke post. Oh how cruel the interwebs are.

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I am surprised they haven't dropped a mission arc that allows a player to reset various parts of his character rather than having a free full retcon. A mission arc to get a superstat retconed same with powers, attributes, etc would be my preference. I would love to do a mission arc that would allow me to drop a single power and associated advantages.

I actually like playing a game for rewards like that and would rather them put that in before handing out another free round. Right now the way the system is it costs insane amounts of money to back out of a poor choice early on or a dev power change.

Going about it in the reward system solves a lot of problems with the current system IMO. With the current system they really can't win. Players either expect one on a power change (rightfully so in some cases) or they give one and overnight the PvP system gets whacked out from people rebuilding with the latest greatest. This in turn causes a flood of people spamming XYZ OP powers and then causing the player call for ner***e starting the cycle all over again.

Lastly if I were Cryptic, I would probably put partial retcons in the C Store as well. I know that concept is very controversial, but I am all for a company like this getting more money in the coffers to finance other changes. If players want to pay to rebuild their level 20 character, it doesn't really effect me and it pays for hopefully positive features.