Wha... What did you do to those poor Powerhouse trainers?

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Gah!

The Powerhouse trainers now are dressed like something out of that horrid Youngblood comic by Liefeld!

Change them back, please!








...and this isn't totally because I play an off-duty Powerhouse trainer with a Might framework. Nope. Really.

<sob>



-np

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Shouldn't they be the epitome of a super hero? They teach other super heroes everything they know.

Think about it... don't pick a fight with one of those guys. Seriously.

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Gah!

The Powerhouse trainers now are dressed like something out of that horrid Youngblood comic by Liefeld!

Change them back, please!

Eww they have no ankles now?

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Eww they have no ankles now?

And uneven moobs (http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/livestock~captain.jpg)?

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And uneven moobs (http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/livestock~captain.jpg)?

Gahh the Horror. I forgot how badly he maimed Captain America.

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Gahh the Horror. I forgot how badly he maimed Captain America.

I can't forget.

Some horrors cannot be unseen.

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Ok. I just went in game and looked (because I wanted to see if they maulled the power trainers as had been done to Captain America).

I see what you're saying. Only two things it needs to be classic Liefeld. More pouches and less ankle.

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Shouldn't they be the epitome of a super hero? They teach other super heroes everything they know.

Think about it... don't pick a fight with one of those guys. Seriously.

I don't think so - at least in sports, pros are better atheletes than trainers. In other words, I could take on a Powerhouse trainer, no sweat. :cool:

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I don't think so - at least in sports, pros are better atheletes than trainers. In other words, I could take on a Powerhouse trainer, no sweat. :cool:

My theory on the Powertrainers.

"Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach."

So, with that as the premise, and given that Powertrainers can teach anything, it only follows that they can't do anything.

Powertrainers are...powerless. That's why they hide 50 miles below the Earth's crust in steel bunkers that can only be accessed by teleportation gates.

Why do you think they don't charge for training? 'Cause they want lots of superheros around in case Dr Destroyer shows up. They can't defend themselves, so...

Which is an interesting idea for a story. Since heroes can't really get powerful without a trainer, wouldn't it make sense to whack the trainers?

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http://img30.imageshack.us/i/powerhousecomparison.jpg/

To the right is the classic trainer look. The only thing missing is a whistle on a cord around the neck.

To the left is, ugh, I dunno, what the hell, man? Just, what the hell?

Further comparison:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11307/407550-11281-99002-3-youngblood_super.jpg

whyyyy...




-np

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Gah!

The Powerhouse trainers now are dressed like something out of that horrid Youngblood comic by XXXXXX!


YOU SHALL NOT UTTER THAT NAME IN MY PRESENCE AGAIN. THE CONSEQUENCES OF SPEAKING THE FORBIDDEN NAME WILL BE DIRE.

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NOW YOU KNOW WHY I'M SO EMO RIGHT NOW ABOUT IT.




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NOW YOU KNOW WHY I'M SO EMO RIGHT NOW ABOUT IT.




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Seriously, I feel your pain. The new look is offensive to at least three of my five senses. But, and this is really your final warning, don't say his name again. His name is unspeakable filth, and you disrespect your entire family by using it. Kittens are killed, babies are slapped, and horses are sexually abused every time you speak his name. And, every time that foul, unspeakable name is spoken, someone you care about loses an inch off their ankles and gains a foot and a half on their breasts.

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I'm going to go ahead and say I dig the new look. That is all.

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Seriously, I feel your pain. The new look is offensive to at least three of my five senses.

You can SMELL through the monitor?

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You can SMELL through the monitor?

More importantly, you shouldn't be licking you monitor. It leaves streaks.

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I'm going to go ahead and say I dig the new look. That is all.

:eek:

i dont believe you...

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Maybe give em their hats back, but these aren't nearly so bad as to be compared to he-who-shall-not-be-named

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....he-who-shall-not-be-named

Voldemort?:confused:

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The answer should probably be found in compromise: a variety of powerhouse trainers in homage costumes from different eras of comic books, keeping the black, white and red with lightning bolt theme throughout. Male and female, some perhaps with pointed ears or insect heads.

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They look less generic, now.

I want the neck crack emote.

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My theory on the Powertrainers.

"Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach."

So, with that as the premise, and given that Powertrainers can teach anything, it only follows that they can't do anything.

Powertrainers are...powerless. That's why they hide 50 miles below the Earth's crust in steel bunkers that can only be accessed by teleportation gates.

Why do you think they don't charge for training? 'Cause they want lots of superheros around in case Dr Destroyer shows up. They can't defend themselves, so...

Which is an interesting idea for a story. Since heroes can't really get powerful without a trainer, wouldn't it make sense to whack the trainers?

Never thought of it that way. By extension, where do supervillian go to get trained? I saw we take down their trainers, first!

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I'm going to go ahead and say I dig the new look. That is all.
I agree, I like the new look better. They fit better with the game's theme this way, a guy in sweats and a ballcap just didn't seem right.

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http://img30.imageshack.us/i/powerhousecomparison.jpg/

To the right is the classic trainer look. The only thing missing is a whistle on a cord around the neck.

To the left is, ugh, I dunno, what the hell, man? Just, what the hell?
Gotta agree. Give them their generic look back. We're the superheroes, not them. And our costumes are way better than theirs anyway.

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Voldemort?:confused:

Hmmm...you don't suppose?

No...it couldn't be!

Then again, ever see them both in the same room...?

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Honestly, I'd be less likely to pick fight with them now.

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Honestly, I'd be less likely to pick fight with them now.
Not me, dude. They used to be some gym guys doing their job. Those getups on the other hand really make me want to slap them.

Think about how ****ed off they are at the Powerhouse management right now. "Up to now, we've had you wear comfortable, functional gym clothes. From now on, it's company policy to make you wear these fruity spandex outfits."

Superheroes can wear whatever they want and get away with it, but dressing up these guys who work in a gym and sparring center in clothes like that? Just ASKING to get them beat up.

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I guess the trainers liked my look.

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I guess the trainers liked my look.

I can't find any similarities in the two in that picture aside from maybe character mood and stance.

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Gah!

The Powerhouse trainers now are dressed like something out of that horrid Youngblood comic by Liefeld!


Eww.

Pouches, single shoulderpad and horribly un-proportionate body?

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I can't find any similarities in the two in that picture aside from maybe character mood and stance.
The athletic shirt/pants. Not a huge similarity, I know, but enough that the change really stood out to me.

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If we get some character slots anytime soon, I'm TOTALLY going to Liefeld-out a character.

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I can't stop staring at that Capt. America pic. It's like a train wreck: I want to look away but I can't.

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Gah!

The Powerhouse trainers now are dressed like something out of that horrid Youngblood comic by Liefeld!

Change them back, please!








...and this isn't totally because I play an off-duty Powerhouse trainer with a Might framework. Nope. Really.

<sob>




-np

I notice that too, now they all look like gambits with a workout suit on. and blonde hair.

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I have to register my dissatisfaction with the new trainers as well. The old costumes added a bit of whimsical humor and wasn't totally thematically wrong. You don't need to have superpowers to be a drill sergeant and run people through training circuits. Bring back the old costumes, just without the knuckle cracking.

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I can't stop staring at that Capt. America pic. It's like a train wreck: I want to look away but I can't.

I know. Its like the Yatta video. :D

Anyone else remember his stint on New Mutants/X-Force where they had to come up with the whole 'Techno-Virus' thing to explain why he kept drawing Cable so inconsistently? I mean he couldn't even remember which arm was the bionic one. It kept swapping sides. :rolleyes:

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I can't stop staring at that Capt. America pic. It's like a train wreck: I want to look away but I can't.

I'm amused by the Wonder-Woman like symbol on his forehead.

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I notice that too, now they all look like gambits with a workout suit on. and blonde hair.

I was thinking Shatterstar with his rat-tail cut off.

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http://img30.imageshack.us/i/powerhousecomparison.jpg/

To the right is the classic trainer look. The only thing missing is a whistle on a cord around the neck.

To the left is, ugh, I dunno, what the hell, man? Just, what the hell?

Further comparison:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11307/407550-11281-99002-3-youngblood_super.jpg

whyyyy...




-np
I'm glad the new trainers look less like John Cena.

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If we get some character slots anytime soon, I'm TOTALLY going to Liefeld-out a character.

Make him your nemesis.

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Gah!

The Powerhouse trainers now are dressed like something out of that horrid Youngblood comic by Liefeld!

Change them back, please!

You mean they are traced from some other artists' source material?

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Make him your nemesis.

I like your thinking.

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FWIW, I greatly prefer the old look, as well. The new look feels a bit like the powerhouses were the victim of a hostile corporate takeover. The costumes just scream "focus group approved".

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I don't think so - at least in sports, pros are better atheletes than trainers. In other words, I could take on a Powerhouse trainer, no sweat. :cool:You're so right. I kept waiting for Daniel-san to kick Mr. Miyagi's butt during that series, seeing as how trainers don't know anything, and Daniel-san was a pro and all, but it never did happen. Bummer...

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Meh they look fine to me

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If we get some character slots anytime soon, I'm TOTALLY going to Liefeld-out a character.

I did these a while ago as a joke for some members of another forum:

Liefieldian Abomination (http://www.inktank.com/images/CO/Abomination.jpg) - the mullet isn't "mullety" looking enough in my opinion. Plus I made one eye white and glowy, but should have added the starburst pattern around it.

Liefieldian Ideal (http://www.inktank.com/images/CO/Ideal.jpg) - Liefieldian female. I couldn't quite get that back breaking, tiny toothpick waist. And the ankles and feet will only go so small in the CC. And apparently feamles need more pouch options.

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Make him your nemesis.

If I do that, you won't see his Liefeld-outed-nes!

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FWIW, I greatly prefer the old look, as well. The new look feels a bit like the powerhouses were the victim of a hostile corporate takeover. The costumes just scream "focus group approved".
Very incisive - that's exactly what I hate about them, though I wouldn't have thought about it in those terms without your nudge. They even force the trainers to all have the same haircut. You know some companies would love to do that to their employees.

I like the idea of an in-game week-long event to take out the evil corporation responsible. After the event, change the guys back to comfortable, gym-friendly clothes. And let them choose their own stylist for chrissake.

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I didn't even notice they had changed... O.o

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If I do that, you won't see his Liefeld-outed-nes!

I think you need to use each costume on this character to make slight alterations to the outfit to show a lack of continuity (swapping which arm is bionic, which eye glows, where the pouches are, random build variations) and then randomly flip between them to mess with people's minds. :)

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How would you simulate when L-field traces other people's artwork?



-np

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How would you simulate when L-field traces other people's artwork?

By frequently reporting yourself for copying. :p

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Eww.

Pouches, single shoulderpad and horribly un-proportionate body?

Well, at least they don't have the patented Liefield "Pointy Knee of Doom". (Credit for pointing this out goes to my friend Jen...) But they do have the constant-fist-clenching-to-hide-lack-of-basic-anatomy-skills disorder. I'm no artist. But I do like good art.

As for the trainers, if you lose the belt the outfits aren't all that bad. Although honestly, I always felt the trainers were a little too bright and happy. Couldn't we make them a little more serious. They are training world saving superheros.

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I really think the trainers should come in a couple categories


the failed hero washouts (the mighty pink guy, the electric vibe, the hero of unfortunate name) the heroes that the public or enemies just couldn't take seriously or were just ineffective (like robin in that old live action batman tv show). They have some skills to train, if just the ever important people take you seriously if you have a better costume lesson.
the retired hero: got old, got sick, caught a crippling condition from a Nemesis's attack, something that even hero meds and cybernetics can't cure..., or were made incorporeal/ unable to affect the world except via communication. they literally can't be a hero anymore and have chosen to teach others
the hero in hiding: got too famous, or secret Identy was compromised, or for the safety of their family they had to disapper... or they jsut manged to **** off a country with nukes and are actually considered a super villian somewhere.. so they are in hiding in underground teleport only bunkers
the non hero relatives/friends/family/creators of heros who are basically in witness protection or are so brilliant they have to be kept somewhere safe.


in which case I would expect a lot more variation in the powerhouse trainers looks and attitudes... and I'd also expect some of them to be itching for a fight and to be the 1 vs 1 live fire trainers whenever they make that part of the powerhouse.

right now they are sorta like telio's clones with less original dialogue.

also OMFG what has been seen cannot be unseen.. that dude seriously got paid to draw comics??? ooooowwwwwww my brain.

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also OMFG what has been seen cannot be unseen.. that dude seriously got paid to draw comics??? ooooowwwwwww my brain.

Not only did he get paid but he was working as a penciller when he was 15 or so and made enough money and got famous enough that he was able to leave costart Image Comics.

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Gnnn...nng...gggnn...gnnaaa...nnyaaaaaggnnnnn...

/twitch x30
/involuntary_movements x500

I did not need to remember Liefield.

The only good that ever came of Liefield is how a friend and I used to muse over how Liefield characters must socialise. Since the man has to draw an action pose of everything, and can't do calm/natural for the life of him, for Liefield, such concepts do not exist, they are eemposseebleh!

I could just imagine it now...

Feral: Hey *pose* Cable! *pose* Would you *pose* like *pose* a cup *pose* of *pose* tea? I just *pose* boiled the *dramatic pause for effect* kettle!

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Not only did he get paid but he was working as a penciller when he was 15 or so and made enough money and got famous enough that he was able to leave costart Image Comics.

...And eventually get kicked out of that company for embezzling. :D

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Who... who cares what the power house trainers look like?? Isn't that kindof like complaining about someone else's costume?

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Who... who cares what the power house trainers look like?? Isn't that kindof like complaining about someone else's costume?
I care. I wouldn't complain about another player's awful costume, but I expect the devs to provide a vision of a world I want to fly around in. The PH trainers are only a very very tiny piece of that vision, but they are still a part of it.

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The trainers proberly think they look sexy, its not right for us to make fun of what they think is stylish it might upset them

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I'll be honest. I never really followed comics so I had no idea who this Liefeld guy was. Idid a quick Google search and found this:

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

I laughed.

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Hah, I've seen that list.

There's also a page somewhere that shows comparison views of art stuff L-feld traced and ripped off, but I can't find it.

And then there's this:
http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/magazinepics/wiz26.jpg


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Eww they have no ankles now?

LOLOLOLOLOL!!! So true about Liefeld artwork. It's why so many people are standing in rubble in his drawings... that and the fact that the character could be reaching for a can of soda and they'd be flexing.

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There's an easy fix to this.

Just have the Powerhouses in each area have different Trainer models.

Stick the "buzzcut" trainers on monster island

have the "hat" trainers in Millenium city

Maybe have female trainers in the Desert

Warmly dressed trainers in Canada

Lizardmen trainers in Lemuria...

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I'll be honest. I never really followed comics so I had no idea who this Liefeld guy was. Idid a quick Google search and found this:

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

I laughed.

I love you.

:D:o

I haven't laughed this hard in ages!

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If you read the dialogue, they ask you to tell them about your newfound abilities. It's not that they are teaching you. The idea is you are telling them or registering with them your newfound powers. I believe that's the intent anyhow, and how I always saw it.

And yes, I was surprised by the new look also ;)

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Yeah I liked the old PH Trainers much better.

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I did think something seemed a tad different about them the last time I was there, but I didn't realize the costumes were actually different. Now I can't really remember what they USED to look like. :eek:

I'm always too busy trying to decide between powers or what needs advantage points most crucially when I'm in there to pay attention to anything...

Also, I imagine if any of hte power house trainers actually had powers, they'd be out using them, not.. .vaguely assisting us new heroes.... ...


As awesome as it would be to see an entire Super-group full of power-house trainers storm an open mission, yelling macho catch-phrases and striking poses along the way.

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Hah, I've seen that list.

There's also a page somewhere that shows comparison views of art stuff L-feld traced and ripped off, but I can't find it.

And then there's this:
http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/magazinepics/wiz26.jpg


-np

http://blog.adlo.es/swipe_of_the_week/rob_of_the_week/2006/08/

This one? Thanks for the links btw :D

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I'll be honest. I never really followed comics so I had no idea who this Liefeld guy was. Idid a quick Google search and found this:

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

I laughed.

>___< they didnt seam this bad back in the day :o

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>___< they didnt seam this bad back in the day :o

No kidding. I only started noticing the waist-leg thing when I was in my late teens myself and reading my old collection. I didn't realize that he was copying so many of his shots too. :(

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Whaddya mean? They look fine!

They look like they're straight out of Dragon Ball Z!
That's cool!

...right? :confused:

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I'm kinda surprised none of you have broken in about how apparently the US has totally ignored the ban on Human Cloning.

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I never liked the "gym coach" muscle head trainers.

I'd rather just see a robot trainer, or perhaps take the whole concept of "trainer" out of it, because with the exception of mentor characters, that doesn't seem to flow with comic heroes.

Instead just have scientists who are measuring your achievments. "Well, last time you came in, you were pressing ten tons and could shoot a get of flame from your hand. Lets see if we can push those abilities more!"

You could even spice up things a bit more buy having the floaty lotus guy magic trainer, the lab coat science trainer, the grease covered mechanical trainer, another floaty psi trainer, and the commando skills trainer.

If you want flavor, run to one of the appropriate 4. If you just want your level rewards, run to the nearest/least crowded one.

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Instead just have scientists who are measuring your achievments. "Well, last time you came in, you were pressing ten tons and could shoot a get of flame from your hand. Lets see if we can push those abilities more!"

You could even spice up things a bit more buy having the floaty lotus guy magic trainer, the lab coat science trainer, the grease covered mechanical trainer, another floaty psi trainer, and the commando skills trainer.

If you want flavor, run to one of the appropriate 4. If you just want your level rewards, run to the nearest/least crowded one.
Best ideas yet for the PH.

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http://img30.imageshack.us/i/powerhousecomparison.jpg/

To the right is the classic trainer look. The only thing missing is a whistle on a cord around the neck.

To the left is, ugh, I dunno, what the hell, man? Just, what the hell?

Further comparison:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11307/407550-11281-99002-3-youngblood_super.jpg

whyyyy...




-np

I agree with this sentiment. I like the old "coach" or "personal trainer" look better.

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Shouldn't they be the epitome of a super hero? They teach other super heroes everything they know.

Think about it... don't pick a fight with one of those guys. Seriously.

It's not that trainers are supposed to be more powerful than you are. They are just there to help you unlock your potential. They might not even be super-powered themselves, but possess a great knowledge of how super-powered beings generally tick and so know a variety of techniques and training regimens to help them unlock their potential. Or something. :D

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I never liked the "gym coach" muscle head trainers.

I'd rather just see a robot trainer, or perhaps take the whole concept of "trainer" out of it, because with the exception of mentor characters, that doesn't seem to flow with comic heroes.

Instead just have scientists who are measuring your achievments. "Well, last time you came in, you were pressing ten tons and could shoot a get of flame from your hand. Lets see if we can push those abilities more!"

You could even spice up things a bit more buy having the floaty lotus guy magic trainer, the lab coat science trainer, the grease covered mechanical trainer, another floaty psi trainer, and the commando skills trainer.

If you want flavor, run to one of the appropriate 4. If you just want your level rewards, run to the nearest/least crowded one.

Actually, these are awesome ideas. Maybe we could implement these styles for the four guys in the main lobby, and keep the "gym coach" look reserved for the guys standing around the test dummy, mobility, and laser ranges?

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AUGH.

They went and changed the trainers AGAIN.

I have to redo my damn costume.

That's it, I'm staying with the original trainer look.



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wtb robot trainers with less spandex

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If we get some character slots anytime soon, I'm TOTALLY going to Liefeld-out a character.

I couldn't wait, so I used a free costume slot and got to Liefelding.

Bodycheck before:
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs217.snc1/8435_101063819914076_100000313746391_24147_176983_ n.jpg
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs237.snc1/8435_101063823247409_100000313746391_24148_4663842 _n.jpg
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs237.snc1/8435_101063826580742_100000313746391_24149_5029292 _n.jpg
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs217.snc1/8435_101063829914075_100000313746391_24150_4539511 _n.jpg
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs217.snc1/8435_101063833247408_100000313746391_24151_905749_ n.jpg

And after:
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs237.snc1/8435_101063806580744_100000313746391_24143_4311267 _n.jpg
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs217.snc1/8435_101063809914077_100000313746391_24144_4393922 _n.jpg
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs217.snc1/8435_101063813247410_100000313746391_24145_3579696 _n.jpg
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs217.snc1/8435_101063816580743_100000313746391_24146_3160113 _n.jpg


This game clearly needs more pouches.

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Two of your pictures clearly shows feet.

:P

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I wish they were still stood behind desks or something now though. They kinda look like they are just stood there in a big empty warehouse. PH just seems so cold and sterile now :(

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Two of your pictures clearly shows feet.

:P

There wasn't a "no-feet" option. I tried making them really, really tiny, but as small as I could make them, they were still there.

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There was totally a "Liefield" character, used the peglegs for no feet. everything was wrong about the character.

However by the pictures in this topic I can sorta see what was going on, however I am still never-the-less confused.

Oh and old power trainers were noice.

I would not want to mess with them, they know ALL the powers, advangates, talents, and have all the super-stats.

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They look fine to me. I've decided you're all wrong in the head and moved on.

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The answer should probably be found in compromise: a variety of powerhouse trainers in homage costumes from different eras of comic books, keeping the black, white and red with lightning bolt theme throughout. Male and female, some perhaps with pointed ears or insect heads.

This.

Clone Trainers is a bit funny.

Though, TBH, I hardly noticed the costume change. I guess I never paid attention to their looks all that much. :p