do these guys know what there doing ?

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well frankly i've never known anything like it with any new mmo... its just dt after dt .. wft are these guys doing , they bring a patch out then 'guess what ' they *ucked it up and we get another dt .. and yes i know all new mmo's have problems but pleaseeee none that ive played have had this many ... and ive played a hell of a lot ... but bk on subject .. maybe ive missed the post or something but are cryptic offering any1 anything for all this game time ppl are missing ? .. especially the monthly subs ( which im not im LTS ) i mean my experiance so far is .. get in from work .. and fancy a bit of game time and wow .. dt ... get up in morning fancy an hour game time b4 work , wow dt ... so i have to ask do these guys know what there doing ? im not so sure :(

p.s please no cryptic fan boys reply to this post , im really not interested , mature experienced mmo players only please , if u dont like the title dont read .. its that simple if u interested and have a comment then by all means would love to hear it :)

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FACT: we have LESS downtime then most other MMOs after launch
hell we have had maybe 2-3 hours a week tops, most go down for full days cuz of mess ups, after around 3 months, most clear up this kind of things(by then they usualy have worked out most bugs from going live, but it does take time)
every game has had it happen, even the "so called" best of them, and most games still have issues every time there is a major patch *coughwow*

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tbh i disagree about most other mmo,s having more dt .. ive personally not experienced it myself and like i say i've played a few from launch .. but even one's that have had a bit more dt then maybe is excepted in the gaming world , the company still offer something in the way of compo , but thh im more annoyed because i thought cryptic did a gd job of coh .. so maybe i expected a little to much from them ... but still the dt is way to often .. imho

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They know what they're doing better than you. Your sentence structure in shambles.

And yes, we've had way less downtime than any MMO I've played at launch. At this point, the downtime is just coming from the premature release sot hey're constantly pushing new patches through, I like downtime that means there's all kinds of neat new features.

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Champions actually worked on launch day. That's more than most MMOs can say.

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well frankly i've never known anything like it with any new mmo... its just dt after dt .. wft are these guys doing , they bring a patch out then 'guess what ' they *ucked it up and we get another dt .. and yes i know all new mmo's have problems but pleaseeee none that ive played have had this many ... and ive played a hell of a lot ... but bk on subject .. maybe ive missed the post or something but are cryptic offering any1 anything for all this game time ppl are missing ? .. especially the monthly subs ( which im not im LTS ) i mean my experiance so far is .. get in from work .. and fancy a bit of game time and wow .. dt ... get up in morning fancy an hour game time b4 work , wow dt ... so i have to ask do these guys know what there doing ? im not so sure :(

p.s please no cryptic fan boys reply to this post , im really not interested , mature experienced mmo players only please , if u dont like the title dont read .. its that simple if u interested and have a comment then by all means would love to hear it :)

You never played WoW try getting only 48 hours of UPtime a week and see how frustrating it is.

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You never played WoW try getting only 48 hours of UPtime a week and see how frustrating it is.

WoW's release was EPIC. EPIC I SAY. I actually enjoyed it, but I can get entertainment out of the weirdest things.

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well frankly i've never known anything like it with any new mmo... its just dt after dt .. wft are these guys doing , they bring a patch out then 'guess what ' they *ucked it up and we get another dt .. and yes i know all new mmo's have problems but pleaseeee none that ive played have had this many ... and ive played a hell of a lot ... but bk on subject .. maybe ive missed the post or something but are cryptic offering any1 anything for all this game time ppl are missing ? .. especially the monthly subs ( which im not im LTS ) i mean my experiance so far is .. get in from work .. and fancy a bit of game time and wow .. dt ... get up in morning fancy an hour game time b4 work , wow dt ... so i have to ask do these guys know what there doing ? im not so sure :(

p.s please no cryptic fan boys reply to this post , im really not interested , mature experienced mmo players only please , if u dont like the title dont read .. its that simple if u interested and have a comment then by all means would love to hear it :)

Can I suggest that you don't get hammered before posting? :D

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I am impressed with Champions Online and it's amount of downtimes. It's way way below what I had expected.

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Can I suggest that you don't get hammered before posting? :D

Seconded.

10char

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tbh i disagree about most other mmo,s having more dt .. ive personally not experienced it myself and like i say i've played a few from launch .. but even one's that have had a bit more dt then maybe is excepted in the gaming world , the company still offer something in the way of compo , but thh im more annoyed because i thought cryptic did a gd job of coh .. so maybe i expected a little to much from them ... but still the dt is way to often .. imho

no offense wooks, but Cryptic has less downtime for a Triple A mmo then most. You should have tried WOW for the first 6 months... Talk about downtime.... Matrix Online had it. We won't even go into Vanguard....which if you have been following MMOs, would have known. I personally like the way Cryptic has handle this. They are very very good at communicating to the public. And no, I am not a fanboy, but I have seen and experience way way worse than this.

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First of all, anyone who cannot take time to spell correctly or at least install a spell check into their web browser to help them should not really be calling out a major company on their issues. This is a forum, not a fast paced combat against Grond. You can and should be able to spell you and are, and for God's sake, it's their, not there.

However, that's just my opinion.

Second, it happens. Even Blizzard has had to take down servers and systems when their patch doesn't some out right. Sorry, but I've been playing these things since the days of Meridian 59. This kind of thing happens. Get over it, get a life and stop your whining. Life goes on and tomorrow things will be better. I have been through many down times that have lasted over a couple of days.

****, EQ, UO, WoW, Eve, The Realm, Anarchy Online.... I've played games I've forgotten the names to. Even CoX had starting pains and growing pains. Just calm down and take this as a day to spend with your family, friends, or by yourself. Better a day of down time than a week of bugged instances, right?

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We had some downtime last week with that patch and some downtime this week with this patch. A couple of hours down per week really isn't that big of a deal for a new MMO.

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How 'bout SWG? They had a character wipe on the FIRST DAY OF RELEASE because the servers were so unstable.

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tbh i disagree about most other mmo,s having more dt .. ive personally not experienced it myself and like i say i've played a few from launch .. but even one's that have had a bit more dt then maybe is excepted in the gaming world , the company still offer something in the way of compo , but thh im more annoyed because i thought cryptic did a gd job of coh .. so maybe i expected a little to much from them ... but still the dt is way to often .. imho

Punctuation is your friend. No, seriously, it makes posts much easier to read and allows a person to understand what you're saying without having to struggle to simply read it.

As for your original point, I disagree. I believe this downtime is not nearly as dramatic as you make it out to be, and is not all that different from other MMORPG's out there - though this time they could've at least proffered a warning beforehand.

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Of all the MMO launches that I have experienced (not that many, agreed, but still some), only the EU/US release of **** have been smoother in terms of stability. After all, they had ten months worth of patching, polishing and fixing from Korea.

On the other hand, they have server queues, but that doesn't really count as downtime, only as "kitty has to play the new shiny superhero MMO"-time.

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Can I suggest that you don't get hammered before posting? :D

well have to laugh at this as i have been down pub .. :)

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I've been through three MMO launches: Age of Conan, Warhammer Online and Champions Online. This is by far the smoothest of the three.

Of course I'm disappointed at not being able to play, but it's also a chance to pick up that book you've meant to start reading, call a friend up and chat away some time, go for a walk, do some laundry or clean the apartment. Hell, if you're brave, it might even be time to kiss the old ball-and-chain and get some TLC.

In short, these things happen and they are not an indicator of the developers not knowing what they're doing. Now if it happens on patch 1.3.1 after a year of live play (yes, I'm looking at you, Mythic), then you can start suspecting that they are, in fact, clueless. But not a month after relase.

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****, EQ, UO, WoW, Eve, The Realm, Anarchy Online.... I've played games I've forgotten the names to.

wow you played The Realm too, now that's a clasic, wasn't the whole point buying die so you could slightly change your 2 tone outfit?

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no offense wooks, but Cryptic has less downtime for a Triple A mmo then most. You should tried WOW for the first 6 months... Talk about downtime.... Matrix Online had it. We won't even go into Vanguard....which if you have been following MMOs, would have known. I personally like the way Cryptic has handle this. They are very very good at communicating to the public. And no, I am not a fanboy, but I have seen and experience way way worse than this.

have to say i played wow from day 1 and as much as i agree that it had its probs and really cant remember it being this bad ( at least for downtime ) .... also the other mmo's u mentioned happen to be some of the worst mmo's that have come across the pc ... both should of been great but both was not so great ..

p.s no offense taken :)

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wow you played The Realm too, now that's a clasic, wasn't the whole point buying die so you could slightly change your 2 tone outfit?

Yeah. Not exactly the most forward thinking MMO, but it was a start ^_^

I did beta for them. I remember when I started helping with it, there were probably 12 screens to move through, nothing to fight, see or do. All you could do was walk from screen to screen. That was painful. About as bad as Beta for Meridian 59. ^^

But, as many others have said, considering that this is only the first month, they are doing pretty well at keeping the system up and running. If this is still happening a year from now, then we can begin to wonder. >_<

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well frankly i've never known anything like it with any new mmo... its just dt after dt .. wft are these guys doing , they bring a patch out then 'guess what ' they *ucked it up and we get another dt .. and yes i know all new mmo's have problems but pleaseeee none that ive played have had this many ... and ive played a hell of a lot ... but bk on subject .. maybe ive missed the post or something but are cryptic offering any1 anything for all this game time ppl are missing ? .. especially the monthly subs ( which im not im LTS ) i mean my experiance so far is .. get in from work .. and fancy a bit of game time and wow .. dt ... get up in morning fancy an hour game time b4 work , wow dt ... so i have to ask do these guys know what there doing ? im not so sure :(

p.s please no cryptic fan boys reply to this post , im really not interested , mature experienced mmo players only please , if u dont like the title dont read .. its that simple if u interested and have a comment then by all means would love to hear it :)

STOP IT! STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!

ELLIPSES ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR PUNCTUATION!

Seriously, it's like an epidemic on this board. You seem to think that it does the same job as a period, only three times better. The way it scans, it gives the impression of a moron trailing off in the middle of a sentence.

<re-reads original post>

Actually, in your case, I guess it's appropriate.

Some other thoughts:

1) The shift key is your friend. Press it once when you're beginning a new thought after trailing off.
2) I don't like the title because of the horrible grammar. Does that mean those of us that are proficient in English are fan boys?
3) I'm pretty sure all "mature" people routinely use "u" in place of "you".

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I think they do know what they're doing. Just be happy no huge rollbacks have occurred.

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I must say, I've had MUCH less down time here than in WoW overall. Yeah, we all don't like the down time, but with a perpetual environment game it's inevitable to a certain extent. If you don't want any bugs at all I suggest you break out your XBox or PS and play the same game over and over each day ad infitum ad nauseum... just take a deep breath, make some dinner and read the latest forum smack talk,...:cool:

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wow you played The Realm too, now that's a clasic, wasn't the whole point buying die so you could slightly change your 2 tone outfit?

Wow, I just had to look that up and memories started flushing back into my head.

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I was in the launch of UO, EQ, aAO and CoX and this has been the smoothest of them..for Great JUSTICE!!!

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Of all the MMO launches that I have experienced (not that many, agreed, but still some), only the EU/US release of **** have been smoother in terms of stability. After all, they had ten months worth of patching, polishing and fixing from Korea.

On the other hand, they have server queues, but that doesn't really count as downtime, only as "kitty has to play the new shiny superhero MMO"-time.

the US launch, wasnt the real launch though, youd have to look at the original launch to be able to accurately compare it to what we are experiencing

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the US launch, wasnt the real launch though, youd have to look at the original launch to be able to accurately compare it to what we are experiencing

Which was kinda my point.

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WoW's release was EPIC. EPIC I SAY. I actually enjoyed it, but I can get entertainment out of the weirdest things.
I find these forums to be an endless source of amusement, personally. ;)

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Just on regular forum type servers, you have issues. The more people that log onto the server and more complex the programming, the more issues you will have.

MMO's are horrendously complex and have an incredibly high number of people logging on.
Hence, issues.

At least, that is my understanding of the subject.
From the looks of things, it isn't that big of a deal. Just expect it.

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I was there for the launches of LOTRO, WAR, AOC, and now CO, and CO has been the worst.

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i dont man...i just dont know.

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I'll say this...Im not gonna say the worst at anything. Its a completely new concept, they tried very hard, and its a very fun game.

My problem is..why did they waste all of that open/closed beta time.

They knew all along they were gonna change things drastically at launch - why do that to themselves?

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I was there for the launches of LOTRO, WAR, AOC, and now CO, and CO has been the worst.

You must have a really short, or really selective memory.

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I was in the launch of UO, EQ, aAO and CoX and this has been the smoothest of them..for Great JUSTICE!!!

whaaaaaaa? this was the smoothest? whoa.
Well, that would seem to mean that this game is gonna be a big hit then.

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STOP IT! STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!

ELLIPSES ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR PUNCTUATION!

Seriously, it's like an epidemic on this board. You seem to think that it does the same job as a period, only three times better. The way it scans, it gives the impression of a moron trailing off in the middle of a sentence.


But... What if... we want... to speak... like... William Shatner?



-np

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Well the reason MMO's get away with this is because the subscription base does nothing to make them re-evaluate their methodologies. I've seen numerous MMO launches (and their associated hiccups) and whilst CO's hasn't been the best, it also hasn't been the worst. I will say however, their QA practices seem to be absolutely the worst i've seen. Patch after patch comes out with problems that cause down times outside of regularly scheduled ones OR extensions to scheduled down times.

Add to that the unannounced "get the hell off our sever" typed downtimes where you have no clue what just happened until you fire your browser up and check the forums only to see..."Emergency Maintenance". The fact people (myself included i freely admit) keep giving companies enough wriggling room to let these things continue to happen is why they always will. just like people paying for these games/services will feel entitled to make complaints about it on the place set aside for them (official forums).

People bash WoW, but WoW learned from it's mistakes and they put their money where their mouth was and ponied up free time for those mistakes...anyone that played from WoW's launch would be able to look back over their billing history and see that.

Cryptic needs to get their act together and put their money where their mouth is, because as these forums show, not everyone has patience or is willing to give second (or third or fifth or whatever) chances these days considering the number of games available. They really should have learnt a lot of these lessons with City of's Launch - or from watching their competitors launches, but it seems to be an endless cycle with MMO's - right down to the Community Rep responses.

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have to say i played wow from day 1 and as much as i agree that it had its probs and really cant remember it being this bad ( at least for downtime ) .... also the other mmo's u mentioned happen to be some of the worst mmo's that have come across the pc ... both should of been great but both was not so great ..

p.s no offense taken :)

Calling complete BS on this. There's no way you played WoW at launch and think CO has had more downtime...

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DDO's login server once died causing players to be locked out for an entire week (for some people it was even closer to 2)

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wow .. and i dont mean the game :) .. my first post ever ( never started a post in a furum b4 ) , and i got hits .. :) .. but i have to say why are there a few ppl who have to insult , i mean ' bad grammar ' wtf is that all about , so what , u call yourselves mature , mmmm i think not .. a sensible reply without insults show's maturity, sadly u few lack it :( .... but still for the rest of u i very much thank u for replying to my post and some i agree with some not , but still we all have our own opinions and i respect all those who have given it :)

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People bash WoW, but WoW learned from it's mistakes and they put their money where their mouth was and ponied up free time for those mistakes...anyone that played from WoW's launch would be able to look back over their billing history and see that.

Cryptic added a free day to everyone's subscriptions the last time the server was down all day. This was emergency maintenance. How many free days does WoW give for emergency or extended maintenance?

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Calling complete BS on this. There's no way you played WoW at launch and think CO has had more downtime...

ohh had to reply to this ... yes i did play wow from day 1 .. and i don't remember it being this bad for dt .. but then my memory may not be as gd as yours .. but it is mine ..

p.s why does almost every post that says something bad about this game have to mention wow ?

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tbh i disagree about most other mmo,s having more dt .. ive personally not experienced it myself and like i say i've played a few from launch .. but even one's that have had a bit more dt then maybe is excepted in the gaming world , the company still offer something in the way of compo , but thh im more annoyed because i thought cryptic did a gd job of coh .. so maybe i expected a little to much from them ... but still the dt is way to often .. imho

You can disagree but the fact is poster is still right, CO has had a huge percent of uptime, I think we worked it out to be over 90%.

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Cryptic added a free day to everyone's subscriptions the last time the server was down all day. This was emergency maintenance. How many free days does WoW give for emergency or extended maintenance?

Comparing Wow's Launch to this - I recieved in my first several months (2 or 3) i haven't actually loaded up my account management for the exact number but i can if needed i guess) 3 or 4 free days at minimum. You know what, as recently as this year, Wow has given credit for downtime to players on affected servers.

Actually - you have me curious now, so i am going to check. i will edit this post when i know exact numbers.

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ok so here's from when i first started:
4/24/09 N/A One Day Credit Expired
12/19/08 N/A One Day Credit Expired
11/15/08 N/A Three Day Credit Expired
7/10/08 N/A One Day Credit Expired
1/29/07 N/A One Day Credit Expired
11/29/06 N/A One Day Credit Expired
11/28/06 N/A One Day Credit Expired
5/26/06 N/A One Day Credit Expired
5/25/06 N/A One Day Credit Expired
11/23/05 N/A One Day Credit Expired
5/13/05 N/A One Day Credit Expired
4/9/05 N/A Three Day Credit Expired
4/4/05 N/A Five Day Credit Expired
4/3/05 N/A One Day Credit Expired
1/27/05 N/A One Day Credit Expired
1/26/05 N/A One Day Credit Expired
1/25/05 N/A One Day Credit Expired
1/24/05 N/A One Day Credit Expired
1/23/05 N/A One Day Credit Expired
1/22/05 N/A One Day Credit Expired
1/21/05 N/A One Day Credit Expired
1/20/05 N/A One Day Credit Expired
12/20/04 N/A Free Month Expired

There we go, go ahead and add it all up. There's a gap in 07-08 where i stopped playing, but there's the proof, Blizzard puts their money where there mouth is and ponies up for their mistakes. That's one of the reasons they have such a popular game. Sure it's not perfect. Hence why there's a gap in 07-08 of my subscription and why i'm not playing now, but they do the right thing by their customers when there are mistakes.

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wow .. and i dont mean the game :) .. my first post ever ( never started a post in a furum b4 ) , and i got hits .. :) .. but i have to say why are there a few ppl who have to insult , i mean ' bad grammar ' wtf is that all about , so what , u call yourselves mature , mmmm i think not .. a sensible reply without insults show's maturity, sadly u few lack it :( .... but still for the rest of u i very much thank u for replying to my post and some i agree with some not , but still we all have our own opinions and i respect all those who have given it :)
Well, you seem nice enough, so I'll explain:

If you're going to put an idea/opinion/suggestion up pretty much anywhere, it's generally a good idea to treat it like you actually care about it... and posting it in the writing style you did does not indicate you care about it. Simply put, if you can't be bothered to give it enough polish to be readable, I can't be bothered to treat it as anything more important than a text message.

If a teacher at your school asked you to write a paragraph suggesting improvements to the class, after you'd already gotten your final grade, would you turn in a barely literate, lazy piece of unreadable junk?

The fact is, nobody on this forum knows you, or what kind of person you are, or how old you are, or how intelligent you are, or if English is your first language, etc. For the most part, none of us really care, either... and that's how the internet is. All that we know of you is what you post on the forum, and if you post like you flunked out of grade school, most people are going to regard you as someone who flunked out of grade school. It's the equivalent of someone standing on a streetcorner with a misspelled protest sign - it calls attention to you while making you look dumb.

You probably don't care about all this, and that's fine... no one says you have to. But if you're going to post stuff written like that, you're going to get lots of people only paying enough attention to you to rip you apart for doing so, and ignoring what you actually have to say. It's your choice.

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I was there for the launches of LOTRO, WAR, AOC, and now CO, and CO has been the worst.

Of that list only LOTRO had a smoother launch than CO. AoC was much worse. Ye gods it was awful. Only topped by Anarchy Online, Funcom's previous game, and Vanguard.

CO's launch wasn't perfect, but it was pretty darn good compared to most launches. And they were always up front about the problems. Which puts them well ahead of mos SOE launches as well.

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Champions actually worked on launch day. That's more than most MMOs can say.

Even though 99% of the head start people were ****ed and unable to play because they got uber nerfed day 1.

I wouldn't call that a raging success by any means.

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p.s why does almost every post that says something bad about this game have to mention wow ?

the reason is that is the mmo to beat. its on the top of the mountain so that what every mmo created will be cmparedto untill it shuts down or another usurps it.

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the reason is that is the mmo to beat. its on the top of the mountain so that what every mmo created will be cmparedto untill it shuts down or another usurps it.

Also, because everytime someone defends CO's launch, someone invariably chimes in to say WoW's launch wasn't perfect either; so having seen that i referenced it as a common sourcew of comparison and was also able to provide proof re-inforcing what i said as justification for the comparison.

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Ok, first of all come on. You still can't use a shift key or stop adding extra periods? Spelling is one thing, but thats just annoying. It makes you look less intelligent and is annoying to read. At least try to form coherent sentences, and maybe you'll get a better response.

Secondly if you really have been through a number of MMO launches you know this was relatively smooth. As others have pointed out even the great WoW had severe issues at launch. And who are you to say Cryptic doesn't know what they are doing? Have you seen how they work? I do some programming and I can tell you, you have no idea how hard a "small" problem can be to fix.

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Also, because everytime someone defends CO's launch, someone invariably chimes in to say WoW's launch wasn't perfect either; so having seen that i referenced it as a common sourcew of comparison and was also able to provide proof re-inforcing what i said as justification for the comparison.

I think you'll find that coin flips right over, just as many people claim that WoW is perfect, has always been perfect, had no server problems, was the first MMO ever, had perfect class balance and prefect end game on day one.

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After surviving the Anarchy Online launch nothing can ever look worse

CO launch was A+, if I say so myself.

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OK just to use an example of dt. Just the other day, last Tuesday to be exact, it was just the regular maintenance day on WoW. No patch, No added content or power nerfs nothing. Many servers were down an additional 2 hours. The patch before most servers were down almost all day and as with ANY content patch on the almighty WoW you cant really do ANYTHING for 24 hours as the lag is horrid and the servers crash constantly. So honestly you got NO valid gripe here.

PS the only reason I am still playing WoW is this girl pays my account so I can play there otherwise Id have given up on it. I keep trying to get her to play CO but she doesn't like superheros.....

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I think you'll find that coin flips right over, just as many people claim that WoW is perfect, has always been perfect, had no server problems, was the first MMO ever, had perfect class balance and prefect end game on day one.

That's obvious, i don't think anywhere in my post i said WoW was perfect; in fact i'm sure i stated i don't play it any longer and that i had also stopped playing for close to a year at an earlier point. However, REGARDLESS of which "side" brings it up, WoW is compared to CO in launch comparisons and it's a reasonable comparison. Both are large scale launches with dozens of complex and intertwined systems, but WoW's treatment of their customer base as a result of launch problems in comparison to CO's (multitude) of launch problems has been vastly different.

My billing history for my WoW account shows that - even if people don't understand the point i am making.

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That's obvious, i don't think anywhere in my post i said WoW was perfect.

...wtf did I say you did?

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FACT: we have LESS downtime then most other MMOs after launch
hell we have had maybe 2-3 hours a week tops, most go down for full days cuz of mess ups, after around 3 months, most clear up this kind of things(by then they usualy have worked out most bugs from going live, but it does take time)
every game has had it happen, even the "so called" best of them, and most games still have issues every time there is a major patch *coughwow*

that FACT is not very factual.

just sayin'

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ohh had to reply to this ... yes i did play wow from day 1 .. and i don't remember it being this bad for dt .. but then my memory may not be as gd as yours .. but it is mine ..

p.s why does almost every post that says something bad about this game have to mention wow ?

because it's a bunch of people that weren't involved with mmos until wow came out?

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well frankly i've never known anything like it with any new mmo... its just dt after dt .. wft are these guys doing , they bring a patch out then 'guess what ' they *ucked it up and we get another dt .. and yes i know all new mmo's have problems but pleaseeee none that ive played have had this many ... and ive played a hell of a lot ... but bk on subject .. maybe ive missed the post or something but are cryptic offering any1 anything for all this game time ppl are missing ? .. especially the monthly subs ( which im not im LTS ) i mean my experiance so far is .. get in from work .. and fancy a bit of game time and wow .. dt ... get up in morning fancy an hour game time b4 work , wow dt ... so i have to ask do these guys know what there doing ? im not so sure :(

p.s please no cryptic fan boys reply to this post , im really not interested , mature experienced mmo players only please , if u dont like the title dont read .. its that simple if u interested and have a comment then by all means would love to hear it :)

Which games have you played at launch?

You say "mature experienced mmo players only please". I would guess that I'm at least as experienced in MMOs as you are. I played my first graphical MMO in 1992.

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that FACT is not very factual.

just sayin'

That fact was shown with some very simple maths in another thread.

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Of that list only LOTRO had a smoother launch than CO. AoC was much worse. Ye gods it was awful. Only topped by Anarchy Online, Funcom's previous game, and Vanguard.

Reading the post-mortem reports, WW2OL had an even worse launch. Back in a time when many folks only had 56k modems, they released an 80 meg patch on launch day. That, along with other problems...ugh.

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well frankly i've never known anything like it with any new mmo... its just dt after dt .. wft are these guys doing , they bring a patch out then 'guess what ' they *ucked it up and we get another dt .. and yes i know all new mmo's have problems but pleaseeee none that ive played have had this many ... and ive played a hell of a lot ... but bk on subject .. maybe ive missed the post or something but are cryptic offering any1 anything for all this game time ppl are missing ? .. especially the monthly subs ( which im not im LTS ) i mean my experiance so far is .. get in from work .. and fancy a bit of game time and wow .. dt ... get up in morning fancy an hour game time b4 work , wow dt ... so i have to ask do these guys know what there doing ? im not so sure :(

p.s please no cryptic fan boys reply to this post , im really not interested , mature experienced mmo players only please , if u dont like the title dont read .. its that simple if u interested and have a comment then by all means would love to hear it :)

It's always up when I want to play so yep they know what they are doing.

(Is there a new character limit on posts or did you text this from a cell phone?)

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As others have said

1) The game released a month ago and was playable and stable from day 1 - never seen a significant launch like that.

2) They are patching a pile of stuff weekly which in turn requires downtime. It is a US pacific coast company therefor maintenance and patching takes place during the main downtime. If your caught in this it really sucks, but would you rather them patch at 6:30 pm EST?

3) They are adjusting powers and stats to the way they plan on having the game go. As the developer they know what direction future content and powers will go rather then our shortsightedness of the game how it is. If they felt that a 50% crit rate at lvl 40 a month into the game's gear tables was acceptable then they would have kept it that way.

4) Claiming that everyone agreeing with Cryptic and their direction is a Fanboi is ignorant. Modify your play-style, voice your suggestions, and look at the bigger picture.

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p.s please no cryptic fan boys reply to this post , im really not interested , mature experienced mmo players only please , if u dont like the title dont read .. its that simple if u interested and have a comment then by all means would love to hear it :)

Personally, I'm not interested in opinions that come from quasi-elitist "experienced mmo players" who can't communicate in proper english with helpful things like verbs in sentences.

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You never played WoW try getting only 48 hours of UPtime a week and see how frustrating it is.

I was there. Your memory is pretty spot-on. Let me remind you about the queues, lag, and frequent crashes/drops during that first month. It was a disaster, and yet...

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You can and should be able to spell you and are, and for God's sake, it's their, not there.


Please. If you are going to correct someone make sure you are correct in your correction :)


It would be "they're", a contraction of "they are" . Not their and not there. So there! (jk)


This whole thread reminds me of what are good mayor has stated:

"Rarely is the question asked: Is are children learning?"

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Of that list only LOTRO had a smoother launch than CO. AoC was much worse. Ye gods it was awful. Only topped by Anarchy Online, Funcom's previous game, and Vanguard.

CO's launch wasn't perfect, but it was pretty darn good compared to most launches. And they were always up front about the problems. Which puts them well ahead of mos SOE launches as well.

^^This would have been my response to what you quote ^^

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Please. If you are going to correct someone make sure you are correct in your correction :)


It would be "they're", a contraction of "they are" . Not their and not there. So there! (jk)


This whole thread reminds me of what are good mayor has stated:

"Rarely is the question asked: Is are children learning?"

I'm always especially careful to double-proof posts in which I correct someone's spelling or grammer for precisely this reason - unless of course that was a deliberate misuse of "are" ;)

Personally, I've become accustomed to the atrocious spelling and grammer one usually sees on forums; however few things tick me off more than the misguided belief that ellipses are an acceptable substitute for a new line.

Oh, and to address the original point - I was present for the launches of Planetside, WoW, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault, The Matrix Online, Age of Conan, Vanguard, City of Heroes and City of Villains, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Earth and Beyond, Eve, LotRO and SWG. Whilst CO hasn't had the smoothest launch of the bunch (that honour probaby goes to either LotRO or Planetside, as far as I can recall), it most definitely has not been the worst. I'm looking at you, Age of Conan and Vanguard...

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I'm always especially careful to double-proof posts in which I correct someone's spelling or grammer for precisely this reason - unless of course that was a deliberate misuse of "are" ;)


I thought it was pretty clever myself. Sad thing is, I bet you are in the minority of people that actually realized there was something wrong with my quote.

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well frankly i've never known anything like it with any new mmo... its just dt after dt .. wft are these guys doing , they bring a patch out then 'guess what ' they *ucked it up and we get another dt .. and yes i know all new mmo's have problems but pleaseeee none that ive played have had this many ... and ive played a hell of a lot ... but bk on subject .. maybe ive missed the post or something but are cryptic offering any1 anything for all this game time ppl are missing ? .. especially the monthly subs ( which im not im LTS ) i mean my experiance so far is .. get in from work .. and fancy a bit of game time and wow .. dt ... get up in morning fancy an hour game time b4 work , wow dt ... so i have to ask do these guys know what there doing ? im not so sure :(

p.s please no cryptic fan boys reply to this post , im really not interested , mature experienced mmo players only please , if u dont like the title dont read .. its that simple if u interested and have a comment then by all means would love to hear it :)

I think i lost 10 IQ points trying to read that.