Nerf & No Retcon ?!

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So you nurfed our powers again.... And I don't have like 5000 gold to fix all 3 of my toons...
You nurfed the 2 most popular blocks in the game, took off detravelpower from conflageration, and left us all no way to fix these changes.... you must want people to quit...because, in this game there is no level 40 content worth doing. This leaves pvp, and you just messed up 50% of peoples builds in some way, and they are not going to be happy, their options are complain like me here, farm thousands of gold, or quit.... Im already sick of long que times for hero games matches.I usually spend more time queing then playing... unless you get a team that chain heals talisman+ her op lifedrain... then those games go to the end. anyways... you broke our powers, now give us a retcon to fix it, or start watching you subscription levels drop...with mine first

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So you nurfed our powers again.... And I don't have like 5000 gold to fix all 3 of my toons...
You nurfed the 2 most popular blocks in the game, took off detravelpower from conflageration, and left us all no way to fix these changes.... you must want people to quit...because, in this game there is no level 40 content worth doing. This leaves pvp, and you just messed up 50% of peoples builds in some way, and they are not going to be happy, their options are complain like me here, farm thousands of gold, or quit.... Im already sick of long que times for hero games matches.I usually spend more time queing then playing... unless you get a team that chain heals talisman+ her op lifedrain... then those games go to the end. anyways... you broke our powers, now give us a retcon to fix it, or start watching you subscription levels drop...with mine first

is this a post from the future? cuz this hasnt happened yet
and the retcons at 40 only cost 400G each if you go all the way back(not counting talents and such) if youve used retcons before

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So you nurfed our powers again.... And I don't have like 5000 gold to fix all 3 of my toons...
You nurfed the 2 most popular blocks in the game, took off detravelpower from conflageration, and left us all no way to fix these changes.... you must want people to quit...because, in this game there is no level 40 content worth doing. This leaves pvp, and you just messed up 50% of peoples builds in some way, and they are not going to be happy, their options are complain like me here, farm thousands of gold, or quit.... Im already sick of long que times for hero games matches.I usually spend more time queing then playing... unless you get a team that chain heals talisman+ her op lifedrain... then those games go to the end. anyways... you broke our powers, now give us a retcon to fix it, or start watching you subscription levels drop...with mine first

Bye bye - and by the way it's spelled "nerfed".. :rolleyes:

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or start watching you subscription levels drop...with mine first

Then leave... go be impatient somewhere else. -.-

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is this a post from the future? cuz this hasnt happened yet

Quick! Post some lottery numbers!

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Hope you learn a lesson from this, the world doesn't revolve around you.

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I can imagine that this thread was being saved up for when the patch went live in order to have maximum impact and post count. Good effort but your timing is a little...off.

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So a couple shields lost their "Lingering" power, but Dam Reduction was INCREASED. Most other shieldss also had an INCREASE in dam reduction.

Edit: Or these things WILL be the fixes...I'm at work so don't know if its been patched yet.

Reread the notes, take a breath and calm down Varuca Salt!

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I doubt free retcons will be handed out every nerf patch they make. Just ride the waves and eventually it will be fine.

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The lingers will be advantages now but, yeah, other shields got the buff bat instead.

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I've got an idea: Let's not balance the game around PvP since PvP almost always equates to, "Let's take the most uber power in the game so that we can annihilate anyone else who doesn't take it, and then cry like a dying penguin when the people who didn't take it complain and it gets nerfed."

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So a couple shields lost their "Lingering" power, but Dam Reduction was INCREASED. Most other shieldss also had an INCREASE in dam reduction.

Edit: Or these things WILL be the fixes...I'm at work so don't know if its been patched yet.

Reread the notes, take a breath and calm down Varuca Salt!

What? Actually READ the patch notes and pay attention to the good as well as the bad? But that ruins so many good rants!

I've got an idea: Let's not balance the game around PvP

Wish has already been granted. They're not. How about not assuming every nerf is because of PvP...

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I think the retcon system sucks too, but I can't see how someone would deliberately take ice shield for the 'ability' to ignore crippling challenge and also not understand that it was bugged.

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Then leave... go be impatient somewhere else. -.-

These snarky replies always make me laugh, if the people who are not happy do leave then they are no longer subsidising the game you apprantly enjoy and as a result reinvestment in the game will be lower. Personally I like people whose philosphopies I disagree with subsidising my enjoyment, it just tastes sweeter somehow.

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What nerf? Didn't even patch today. It was SCHEDULED, but it never happened.

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Nope. OP is literally complaining about nothing, as the patch never happened. (We still don't know why.) Start your launcher. You'll see, no patch.

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So a couple shields lost their "Lingering" power, but Dam Reduction was INCREASED.The reason they were taken was FOR the lingering power, which was quite strong and allowed, say, a healer to actually be able to do their job in the face of the terrible aggro mechanics and insane party-wide damage on encounters like Vilkorin the Blind, phase 3.

but hey

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I've got an idea: Let's not balance the game around PvP since PvP almost always equates to, "Let's take the most uber power in the game so that we can annihilate anyone else who doesn't take it, and then cry like a dying penguin when the people who didn't take it complain and it gets nerfed."

The game isn't balanced around PvP. Those powers that got nailed? They were overpowered in PvE too.

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They were overpowered in PvE too.Be that as it may be, the current endgame content feels damn near balanced around it.

I dunno if you've done Andrith Ruins, but as a healer, if I didn't have TK Shield in its current form and Mindful Reinforcement in its current form, I have no idea how me and my group could've scraped a win together.

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I doubt free retcons will be handed out every nerf patch they make. Just ride the waves and eventually it will be fine.

I agree with this totally. After every patch comes a patch. But has anyone READ the notes? Most shiled/blocks (even the powers that are getting the Lingering Effect removed) are getting an INCREASE in Damage Reduction.

Are we at the point that even patches with increases are still nerfs?

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The reason they were taken was FOR the lingering power, which was quite strong and allowed, say, a healer to actually be able to do their job in the face of the terrible aggro mechanics and insane party-wide damage on encounters like Vilkorin the Blind, phase 3.

but hey

They weren't completely removed... Except for Ice which was only bugged as it never stated it lingers. Was it lingering? I never noticed. And was immune to Crippling Challenge. Tel Shield just got its linger moved to an advantage, probably to bring it in line with Force Shield whose linger was also an advantage.

Also, no patch? I was eagerly awaiting the new patch when I learned about all the changes. Aww....

<-- Sad Panda

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/moonwalks right on by

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Tel Shield just got its linger moved to an advantage, probably to bring it in line with Force Shield whose linger was also an advantage.Moved to an advantage, dramatically weakened (currently it's roughly half again as strong as an active Rank 1 block), and made to effect Physical damage only (meaning, hooray, it does jack **** in endgame content since people like Vilkorin and his golems are all shooting elemental stuff).

At only a bit stronger than Force Sheathe on physical damage only, Telekinetic Reinforcement (and TK Shield by proxy) now pales to to Force Sheathe, since FS is all damage types AND returns double energy on blocked or sheathed hits.

Most people will now flock to FS/FS. Hopefully it won't get nerfed too.

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Are we at the point that even patches with increases are still nerfs?

How long have you followed MMO forums? It's always like that. :p People like to complain about the nerfs in a patch endlessly, even if the buffs outnumber the nerfs by far. Somehow, certain people never seem to even notice buffs...

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Yeah, don't even know why. Server never dropped down for maintenance. 1 hour past the take down time... still up! 2 hours past the take down time.. still up! 1 hour past when it was supposed to be back up... Never went down!

Lets here some Aussie QQ's about server maintenance now, k?

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How long have you followed MMO forums? It's always like that. :p People like to complain about the nerfs in a patch endlessly, even if the buffs outnumber the nerfs by far. Somehow, certain people never seem to even notice buffs...The buffs are poorly done.

Let's take Imbue With Power, for example, a "buff" to Sorcery and Eldritch Shield.

For an unheard of 2 Advantage Points, your Eldritch Shield (which you can now only rank to Rank 2) has the ability to have a chance (my testing shows about 1:3) to activate an ability related to your active aura.

Here's the kicker - the activations are worse than other shields.

Primal Aura can proc some lightning damage when you're hit. But it's less damage than Lightning Shield's passive lightning damage, and again, is only a 1:3 chance to happen.

Radiant Aura can proc a small HoT. But again, it's only a 1:3 chance to happen, it's less life than Ebon Void's lifedrain, and barely scales with Presence (34 with nearly 10 presence, 44 with 90 Presence and in Support mode).

Ebon Aura procs a 4-second fear. Doesn't seem to do anything useful, unless you have Fear-synergizing ablities, and again, the whole 1:3 thing.

Arcane Aura procs an energy return. But, again, with the whole 1:3 thing, it pales to Force Shield which gives double energy on every block.

And to kick it all off - it is NOT a linger. These effects ONLY happen while actively blocking. It is so much worse than TK Reinforcement or Force Sheathe that it's hilarious.

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Most people will now flock to FS/FS. Hopefully it won't get nerfed too.

And the core of the issue arises. Anytime one power clearly outshines others, it needs to take a hit. The people who are suprised by this are usually the ones here complaining.

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is this a post from the future? cuz this hasnt happened yet
and the retcons at 40 only cost 400G each if you go all the way back(not counting talents and such) if youve used retcons before

small nitpicks

you can't go all the way back without removing things like talents and such, unless you respec'd once already and arranged it so you could.

Even without the cost for talents, it's still close to double that 400 you mentioned.

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And the core of the issue arises. Anytime one power clearly outshines others, it needs to take a hit. The people who are suprised by this are usually the ones here complaining.It outshines the other shields for non-tanks, yes, because of the nature of it.

Now, if every shield had a 1-point advantage for a linger that was an increase to all damage reduction like Force Sheathe and had some sort of effect related to the shield (Eldritch could have effects tied to your aura like Imbue With Power but not terrible, Electric could have higher damage output, etc.), then people would choose the one they like the look of and the bonus effect of.

But it's not that way yet, and if Imbue With Power is any indication, they don't intend to make it that way, which leaves people trying desperately to do the overtuned endgame lairs cling to whatever they can find to aid them, and then flounder when it's taken away without a consummate nerf to the mob output.

but hey, we wouldn't wanna **** off the pvp crowd right

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Moved to an advantage, dramatically weakened (currently it's roughly half again as strong as an active Rank 1 block), and made to effect Physical damage only (meaning, hooray, it does jack **** in endgame content since people like Vilkorin and his golems are all shooting elemental stuff).

At only a bit stronger than Force Sheathe on physical damage only, Telekinetic Reinforcement (and TK Shield by proxy) now pales to to Force Sheathe, since FS is all damage types AND returns double energy on blocked or sheathed hits.

Most people will now flock to FS/FS. Hopefully it won't get nerfed too.

Well, honestly I don't get why they did that instead of fix the stacking effect. Which was really the problem with Tel Shield and not the actual linger effect. For those not familiar with Tel Shield, if you tap block to activate the linger and then block again, the linger defense stacks with the actual block defense. It made it much stronger than any of the other shields without taking any ranks or advantages.

Maybe they're trying to differentiate all the Blocks, as before they were pretty much doing the same damage resistances. (except for Electric Shield, which had only 167% res against physical, basic Block was 200% res to all dmg types)

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is this a post from the future? cuz this hasnt happened yet
and the retcons at 40 only cost 400G each if you go all the way back(not counting talents and such) if youve used retcons before
So full retcons are cheaper if you don't retcon everything. Very Zen.

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I hope they credit back the burning rain advantage. I don't pvp so only used it to down pesky flyers as it was somewhat amusing.

Does the advantage now do nothing at all? Am i missing something?

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Maybe they're trying to differentiate all the Blocks, as before they were pretty much doing the same damage resistances. (except for Electric Shield, which had only 167% res against physical, basic Block was 200% res to all dmg types)Which would be fine if no one block had the superior linger.

With this change, Force Sheathe is the superior linger. (Obviously tanks want Ebon Void + Voracious Darkness)

I hope they credit back the burning rain advantage. I don't pvp so only used it to down pesky flyers as it was somewhat amusing.

Does the advantage now do nothing at all? Am i missing something?It allows the Conflagration to follow the target you have chosen to Conflagrate. Otherwise, it stays where it first initially started falling.

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The buffs are poorly done.

Let's take Imbue With Power, for example, a "buff" to Sorcery and Eldritch Shield.

For an unheard of 2 Advantage Points, your Eldritch Shield (which you can now only rank to Rank 2) has the ability to have a chance (my testing shows about 1:3) to activate an ability related to your active aura.

Here's the kicker - the activations are worse than other shields.

Primal Aura can proc some lightning damage when you're hit. But it's less damage than Lightning Shield's passive lightning damage, and again, is only a 1:3 chance to happen.

Radiant Aura can proc a small HoT. But again, it's only a 1:3 chance to happen, it's less life than Ebon Void's lifedrain, and barely scales with Presence (34 with nearly 10 presence, 44 with 90 Presence and in Support mode).

Ebon Aura procs a 4-second fear. Doesn't seem to do anything useful, unless you have Fear-synergizing ablities, and again, the whole 1:3 thing.

Arcane Aura procs an energy return. But, again, with the whole 1:3 thing, it pales to Force Shield which gives double energy on every block.

And to kick it all off - it is NOT a linger. These effects ONLY happen while actively blocking. It is so much worse than TK Reinforcement or Force Sheathe that it's hilarious.

All these changes sounds great. Especially that HoT with Radiant Aura. (at least, it SCALES right - its a huge bonus for all those superstating PRE) Before, Eldritch Shield had nothing. (well, still nothing as there was no patch) And Force Shield is OP because it returns more energy? I think there's some balance there.

It's better than not having any advantage on Eldritch Shield.

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All these changes sounds great. [...] It's better than not having any advantage on Eldritch Shield.At the cost of not being able to get Rank 3 Eldritch Shield and not having any lingering defenses? Are you mad?

And no, it's not a huge bonus at all. It's pathetic - I think Rank 1 Regeneration at base values with no Recovery heals for more.

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Are you mad?

Yes! What? Who's that bird....

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Yes! What? Who's that bird....Medivh the Prophet. Naturally.

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But it is a bonus! I think we quite agree. It's better than no bonus?I find it disingenuous to call a bonus that has a severe cost that makes the bonus worse than the no-bonus alternative a bonus. So no, I do not agree that it is a net bonus at all.

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Medivh the Prophet. Naturally.

Ooh, shiny!

And no, it's not a huge bonus at all.

But it is a bonus! I think we quite agree. It's better than no bonus?

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I find it disingenuous to call a bonus that has a severe cost that makes the bonus worse than the no-bonus alternative a bonus. So no, I do not agree that it is a net bonus at all.

So, you're saying they nerfed Eldritch Shield?

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I find it disingenuous to call a bonus that has a severe cost that makes the bonus worse than the no-bonus alternative a bonus. So no, I do not agree that it is a net bonus at all.

I was sort of on your side there for a while, then a couple of things happened:

1 - I read the patch notes. All seems fair and well. Many needed changes.
2 - I started analyzing your posts. You sir are a power gamer and min-maxer.
3 - You find only fault and no value to the additions/improvements.

So, i really don't think that you have much to complain about, other than you like to complain. The modified shields all work BETTER than they did before. The fact of the matter is that you want them to work without you actually having to push a button. I would make the following recommendations:

1 - Take PFF. Get some END and EGO and use that.
2 - Use Science as your crafting for the HOT and Shield items.
3 - Purchase the lingering advantage on your shield power.
4 - Please complain about things that are actually bad, and damage the game.
5 - No one needs a healer. If you insist on playing one then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

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So, you're saying they nerfed Eldritch Shield?Being unable to get Rank 3 is a dramatic nerf to its efficacy, yes.

1 - I read the patch notes. All seems fair and well. Many needed changes.I concur. Some of the changes were nice. The change to Electric Shield, for example. But it's still weaker than any other shield in defenses, so you're losing 60% (at R3) physical defense for... some very minor damage output.

Also, I love how you call me a min-maxer yet every character I've made to date has been plotted around a concept and sticks with it for better or worse.

5 - No one needs a healer. If you insist on playing one then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.Oooooh, okay, you're one of those self-serving "ANY 5 RANDOM PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING IN THE GAME, TANKS AND HEALERS AND TACTICS ARE FOR OTHER, BAD MMOS" people like from the Celestial thread. Awesome. Nice to meet you, I'm a person that finds joy in bringing joy to others. :)

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Being unable to get Rank 3 is a dramatic nerf to its efficacy, yes.

Making it work like the other shields isn't a nerf. I think Ned888 called this one.

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Being unable to get Rank 3 is a dramatic nerf to its efficacy, yes.

thats why its called custimization
you cant have everything
i mean, id LIKE to have rank 3 2 gun mojo AND cripling challenge AND metabolism, but it just doesnt work that way, maybe they should allow me to do that too sinse not being able to is a nerf to its efficiency

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Making it work like the other shields isn't a nerf. I think Ned888 called this one.Eldritch worked like other shields. Two ranks, 360/360 at max rank.

Now, you either choose a very minor set of chance-to-happen abilities that are requisite on another power to work OR getting the 360/410 level of defenses.

The powers granted in Imbue With Power do not compensate for the lost defenses, making the acquisition of Imbue With Power a net negative.

But hey, if analyzing things and pointing out their strengths and weakness is a bad thing, lemme know and I'll just shut up and let the game get hewn to pieces without regard for PVE.

thats why its called custimization
you cant have everythingYou can have Force Shield R3 and Force Sheathe.
You can have TK Shield R3 and TK Reinforcement.
You can have Ice Shield R3 and the new advantage they added.
You can have Electric Shield R3 and the advantage that amps up the lightning damage done.
You can NOT have Eldritch Shield R3 and Imbue With Power.

*sings* One of these things is not like the others~

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Someone should retcon this thread.

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Someone should retcon this thread.You can take away my posts, but you can't strip me of my logic and passion! *shakes fist*

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You can take away my posts, but you can't strip me of my logic and passion! *shakes fist*

That would require having logic behind your posts in the first place.

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That would require having logic behind your posts in the first place.Logic: Current endgame PVE content is nearly impossible WITH overpowered shields and bugged healing powers; adjusting these powers without consummate adjustments to the near-impossible PVE content is a gross insult to people whose focus is PVE group content. Furthermore, PVE adjustments with PVP intentions are completely insulting and should not happen.

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Logic: Current endgame PVE content is nearly impossible WITH overpowered shields and bugged healing powers;

Er, honestly, I hang out on these boards ALL the time, cos I have no life.

There hasn't been a heck of a lot of complaining about the difficulty of endgame stuff.

And we all know that the forums get inundated with complaints on anything that is even SLIGHTLY borked.

Is anyone else besides Zerromi having this endgame difficulty? Please speak up, I'd really like to know.




-np

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I'm still trying to gather why people are making builds that really so heavily on one ability as to be worthless without it. If we have 14 abilities by end game and our characters fail after one is changed then our builds aren't balanced to begin with.

In this particular thread, the build doesn't rely heavily on one ability. The game mechanics forced one player to rely on one power for one particular encounter.

The change to the power has altered this ability's usefulness in this encounter. And this player wants to be able to choose something else since now that power doesn't work for that encounter anymore.

If this game were a year or so old in its development, I might be more unforgiving of such a request.

Since this game is still new, and changing rapidly with each and every path, I'm far more lenient in my opinion of topics like this.

Free retcons! For all. Until things settle down. It helps the players. And it helps the devs (as some players will use those free retcons to continue to find the problem areas of the game for the devs).

Win-Win I say.

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Is anyone running Andrith or Mandragalore?

Someone has to do the content to note the difficulty of the content.

And there's been numerous threads complaining about Vilkorin the Blind on the Missions and Content boards.

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So you nurfed our powers again.... And I don't have like 5000 gold to fix all 3 of my toons...
You nurfed the 2 most popular blocks in the game, took off detravelpower from conflageration, and left us all no way to fix these changes.... you must want people to quit...because, in this game there is no level 40 content worth doing. This leaves pvp, and you just messed up 50% of peoples builds in some way, and they are not going to be happy, their options are complain like me here, farm thousands of gold, or quit.... Im already sick of long que times for hero games matches.I usually spend more time queing then playing... unless you get a team that chain heals talisman+ her op lifedrain... then those games go to the end. anyways... you broke our powers, now give us a retcon to fix it, or start watching you subscription levels drop...with mine first

Umm, what kind of load is this? Seriously there was no hint earlier that TK shield was getting nerfed because the lingering effect was alot stronger then intended and that ice shield was bugged so had an unstated lingering effect and couldn't be taken down with crip challenge? Seriously those 2 "nerfs" or fixes were long known well before the last freebies that they were getting fixed. Both of the shields are still just as useful as any other shield so no point allowing a retcon for that just because you cry because an OP power isn't OP anymore and you want the next OP power which will be nerfed next week crying for another free retcon.

The only change worthy of a retcon at all would be the change to conflag which wasn't a but since you don't fix a bug and then allow an advantage to give you the bugged effect. So 1 change worthy of a retcon maybe and nothing else worth it. Get over it and quit already because I could think of far better reasons of quitting then your OP power got nerfed.

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Oooooh, okay, you're one of those self-serving "ANY 5 RANDOM PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING IN THE GAME, TANKS AND HEALERS AND TACTICS ARE FOR OTHER, BAD MMOS" people like from the Celestial thread. Awesome. Nice to meet you, I'm a person that finds joy in bringing joy to others. :)

It's nice to meet you too! The game is designed for each hero to be self sufficient. No healer is required; I didn't say it wasn't nice to have one. I said that they are not necessary and you are setting yourself up for the disappointment that you are currently experiencing by playing one.

I would cite comic books, especially those that cover teams, like the X-men; the Avengers; the JLA, etc. Not very many of those teams contain a healer. Each hero has strengths and weaknesses, but they manage to triumph none the less.

Oh, and by the way, I'm calling you a min/maxerr because you have apparently taken oodles of time to calculate out the perfect build to allow you to heal and attack without worrying about threat. This is by your own admission. You are far too worried about the actual numbers to be a casual player or one who is interested in concept only. Sorry, your Jedi mind trick doesn't work on me.

You are trying to knit the rest of us into a standard MMO sweater and I'm saying that the mechanics only give you enough yarn for a scarf. I rather like the scarf.

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So you nurfed our powers again.... And I don't have like 5000 gold to fix all 3 of my toons...
You nurfed the 2 most popular blocks in the game, took off detravelpower from conflageration, and left us all no way to fix these changes.... you must want people to quit...because, in this game there is no level 40 content worth doing. This leaves pvp, and you just messed up 50% of peoples builds in some way, and they are not going to be happy, their options are complain like me here, farm thousands of gold, or quit.... Im already sick of long que times for hero games matches.I usually spend more time queing then playing... unless you get a team that chain heals talisman+ her op lifedrain... then those games go to the end. anyways... you broke our powers, now give us a retcon to fix it, or start watching you subscription levels drop...with mine first

Why would they give you a retcon when nothing has changed?

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Oh, and by the way, I'm calling you a min/maxerr because you have apparently taken oodles of time to calculate out the perfect build to allow you to heal and attack without worrying about threat.Haha, oh man.

If I could somehow heal without generating more threat than a 55 gallon drum full of tanks, I'd be giddy.

Edit: and I love how you accuse someone who plays SORCERY, of all frameworks, of disregarding concept. That's rich.

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Problem is the player in question has noted that they have a free retcon waiting already. So I'm still missing the problem...Hypothetically speaking. What, I'm not allowed to do that either?

Unrelated to quoted. There have not been a lot of complaints about the end game difficulty on the mission forums.Because no one does Andrith/Mandragalore. It took me five days of looking in every place I could think of that 40s would congregate (UNITY HQ, MI, Lemuria) to get my first group. And basically everyone in my group agreed that Phase 3 of Vilkorin was utter ********, there were no item drops, and at 8 UNITY Merits each, the hour-long run was so unrewarding with the nightmare that Vilkorin P3 represented that we'd all rather just cash our Key Fragments in for Merits, eat the 2 Merit potential loss, and call it a day.

Someone has to do the content to note "hey, dis **** is whack".

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These snarky replies always make me laugh, if the people who are not happy do leave then they are no longer subsidising the game you apprantly enjoy and as a result reinvestment in the game will be lower. Personally I like people whose philosphopies I disagree with subsidising my enjoyment, it just tastes sweeter somehow.

In this particular case the snarky reply is fully deserved. There was no patch so there was no nerf which makes the OP's post nothing but a troll that failed because they didn't check to see if the patch was live before posting their rant. Thus snark is fully deserved.

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I'm still trying to gather why people are making builds that really so heavily on one ability as to be worthless without it. If we have 14 abilities by end game and our characters fail after one is changed then our builds aren't balanced to begin with.



They do it so that when the ONE power they depend on is nerfed they will be crippled. If they built to use multiple powers in concert most of them wouldn't have any issues with the patches.

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They do it so that when the ONE power they depend on is nerfed they will be crippled. If they built to use multiple powers in concert most of them wouldn't have any issues with the patches.I'd like to see this set of multiple powers that, without turning me into a tank, would give me the same survivability as TK Shield's linger.

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Well I'd certainly like to see the compoisitions of these teams doing Andrith and not having issues with phase 3 of Vilkorin then.

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I'll stop beating around the bush and come right out and say it.

If a power is okay 90% of the time and only becomes a problem in a couple of specific encounters, IT'S NOT THE POWER THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

It's those encounters.

You could beat those encounters ONLY because of a particularly overpowered power.

This does not mean that the power is what's the issue. The issue still lies with the encounter.

Is that more clear?


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Well I'd certainly like to see the compoisitions of these teams doing Andrith and not having issues with phase 3 of Vilkorin then.

Yeah.

I mean if you couldn't do it, nobody could.

Right?

Right??

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These snarky replies always make me laugh, if the people who are not happy do leave then they are no longer subsidising the game you apprantly enjoy and as a result reinvestment in the game will be lower.

My thoughts also Jaguaratron.

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oh GOD...

can't you WAIT till, lets say, patch ARRIVES?

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Interesting tidbit:

I searched for "Vikorin" in all forums with no date restriction, and got only 19 threads as a result.

Only about half of which were actually complaining.




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If we just keep posting, this thread may become relevant someday ... yes, that's right, we can change the future, let's make it happen people, lets believe we can do it.

Either that or let it die the lonely death it deserves.

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So you nurfed our powers again.... And I don't have like 5000 gold to fix all 3 of my toons...
You nurfed the 2 most popular blocks in the game, took off detravelpower from conflageration, and left us all no way to fix these changes.... you must want people to quit...because, in this game there is no level 40 content worth doing. This leaves pvp, and you just messed up 50% of peoples builds in some way, and they are not going to be happy, their options are complain like me here, farm thousands of gold, or quit.... Im already sick of long que times for hero games matches.I usually spend more time queing then playing... unless you get a team that chain heals talisman+ her op lifedrain... then those games go to the end. anyways... you broke our powers, now give us a retcon to fix it, or start watching you subscription levels drop...with mine first

He's just made since they nerfed the OP things that were unbalancing in pvp.

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My major concern is that all the shields + advantages are viable when compared to each other. As things stand now on ptr that is not the case. So if you try to stay inside your framework or pick a shield to match the theme of your toon you are shooting yourself in the foot.

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Im already sick of long que times for hero games matches. you broke our powers, now give us a retcon to fix it, or start watching you subscription levels drop...with mine first

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

On a serious note: why not making retcons buyable by acclaim as well? this would satisfy hardcore PvP players, and contribute to the PvP meta.

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Yesterday upon the stair
I met a nerf that wasn't there
The nerf wasn't there again today,
I wish that nerf would stay away.

I think we have entered 'complainers nirvanna' where the complaints come BEFORE that which they are complaining of.....

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Hope you learn a lesson from this, the world doesn't revolve around you.

No, the world revolves you and the other dozen or so people left playing this game. Enjoy the ghost town!

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No, the world revolves you and the other dozen or so people left playing this game. Enjoy the ghost town!

Sounds like more than that.

And besides, the world does not, but the game DOES revolve around that "dozen or so". if you don't play anymore, why should it revolve around you? :)

So long, and thanks for all the fish... to you too.

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Thousands of people=dozen. Hennesy, grow up. Only a child would hang around a forum trying vainly to taunt others because he got his feelings hurt when a game...a simple stupid game...didn't live up to his overly high expectations. Gods, I feel sory for any woman who thought dating you was a good idea, realized what a mistake it was, and broke up with you. I mean, if you do the 'creepy stalker' act this badly over a game, I honestly hate to see how you are in real life.

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I've got an idea: Let's not balance the game around PvP since PvP almost always equates to, "Let's take the most uber power in the game so that we can annihilate anyone else who doesn't take it, and then cry like a dying penguin when the people who didn't take it complain and it gets nerfed."

Uhhhhhhhh

PvP is actually a decent way to look at see which powers are way too good. The problem is that cryptic overnerfs....everything nerfed so far needed it to some extent. And lets be honest, alot of stuff still needs looking at.

The main issue is that cryptic does not seem to buff anything nor seems to reconsider powers after they've been overnerfed. I think fire is the only set that had some nerfs that cryptic later rebuffed the weaker powers (like flame breath) and gave tiny rebuffs to things they nerfed.

For some reason people don't understand that there is plenty of powers that trivialize PvE and wreck balance there as well.....if one set levels 200% faster then another just because of one or two powers something is either wrong with the fast set, the slow set, or both sets.

PvE balance needs to exist or if heavier group content ever makes it in the game, people will require you to have certain skills or take a walk.

PvP is also a great tool for seeing which powers get cherry picked. (Lash/SwallowCut I'm looking at you)
A power-set may need help but these cherry picked powers should be rebalanced OR passed over when said set gets it help. (if it ever gets help lol)

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free retcons please

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. He runs with Force Shield 3 and Regen 3 but dies a bit more in plus level content due to burst damage outclassing his regen rate.

That's why he fails... if you are going to rely on regen+block, get Ebon Void+Voracious Darkness.

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No, the world revolves you and the other dozen or so people left playing this game. Enjoy the ghost town!

The MAN has spoken... this game is dying. When a random guy says so, it has to be true.

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The MAN has spoken... this game is dying. When a random guy says so, it has to be true.

That's why I come to the forums.

I thought I was having fun; forums say otherwise.
I thought powers were doing okay; forums say otherwise.
I thought I saw full shards; forums say otherwise.

These forumites that speak of doom should get off the computer and figure out the worlds problems. Everything could be fixed in, like, 3 1/2 hours.

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That's why I come to the forums.

I thought I was having fun; forums say otherwise.
I thought powers were doing okay; forums say otherwise.
I thought I saw full shards; forums say otherwise.

These forumites that speak of doom should get off the computer and figure out the worlds problems. Everything could be fixed in, like, 3 1/2 hours.

Pfft.
Knock that 3 off. I got a solution for everything, baby.

Most of them involve involve naked chimps. Buuuuuuut, you get what you pay for.

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Pfft.
Knock that 3 off. I got a solution for everything, baby.

Most of them involve involve naked chimps. Buuuuuuut, you get what you pay for.

Hmmm...

I may be interested in these naked chimps. How much will a dozen set me back?

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The MAN has spoken... this game is dying. When a random guy says so, it has to be true.

Ah I take it this is your first time meeting Mr. Hennessey. He's kinda negative about the game and feels the need to remind everyone at least once a day.

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Hypothetically speaking. What, I'm not allowed to do that either?

Because no one does Andrith/Mandragalore. It took me five days of looking in every place I could think of that 40s would congregate (UNITY HQ, MI, Lemuria) to get my first group. And basically everyone in my group agreed that Phase 3 of Vilkorin was utter ********, there were no item drops, and at 8 UNITY Merits each, the hour-long run was so unrewarding with the nightmare that Vilkorin P3 represented that we'd all rather just cash our Key Fragments in for Merits, eat the 2 Merit potential loss, and call it a day.

Someone has to do the content to note "hey, dis **** is whack".


A couple of guildies and I 3 manned Andrith last night, yes p3 of last boss was a pain but we got through it by using tactics rather than relying on overpowered powers. We had an Archer/Lightning Reflexes, Dual Blade/Invuln, TK/Regen. DB/Invuln was in protector, others in Guardian. I'm no uber player , so if I managed then it can't be that tough (if we had have had a full 5 then it would have been a piece of cake with the extra DPS)

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PvP is actually a decent way to look at see which powers are way too good. The problem is that cryptic overnerfs....everything nerfed so far needed it to some extent. And lets be honest, alot of stuff still needs looking at.

YEs.... and no. PvP has different mechanics, since most players have a comparable number of hp, and you face one or two or max three players at a time. Mobs are a different thing, they come in swarms, have little hp and tend to bunch up, while players are quite the opposite.
Also, players are smart and take countermeasures, while mobs do not - so AoE might seem underpowered in PvP, while it's obviously very strong in PvE. Mobs rarely have travel powers, while players use them constantly. You can't really adjudicate a power's effectiveness in PvE by looking at PvP ONLY, although it's a good guess that if everyone's using a power in PvP then it must be checked against other similar powers to compare.
Take teleport, for instance... it's certainly OP in the small arenas of PvP, especially if coupled with regeneration... but take it to PvE, and you see it's got some quirks that make it less palatable (like the fact you need to find a safe spot quick, and this often means running far away from the zone you were in, while with flight I can just over in a suborbital height to recover).

(I agree with the rest of yer post, mostly)

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see, now that they got rid of teh hard cap on STR, I want to superstat it. problem is, I have 27 nationals.
I wont complain if we dont get a free retcon. but it would be nice t maybe just let us repick our superststats? :D

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What the ****ing probleme with giving Free retcon ..?...?

It's a game , we play for fun with friends ... Give us free Retcon , when you did Fix or modification in Power ...

All the other MMo I have played , has a good traduction in evry country language... but in CO french traduction are crap !!!! ... I'm did'nt work for Cryptic so ... go make real French traduction and dont make traduction that dont mean what the power did ...

I'm very bad in English sorry for that but ... i think if evry time a traduction was bad , a fix make power Bugged after a patch and other stuff like that append i Really like to Now when Free Retcon Will come ...

To stop my subriction until the Free Retcon Be availaible ...
I don't play to farm Gold for retcon .................................................. .................................................. ................
I play to take good time with friends...

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What the ****ing probleme with giving Free retcon ..?...?

It's a game , we play for fun with friends ... Give us free Retcon , when you did Fix or modification in Power ...

All the other MMo I have played , has a good traduction in evry country language... but in CO french traduction are crap !!!! ... I'm did'nt work for Cryptic so ... go make real French traduction and dont make traduction that dont mean what the power did ...

I'm very bad in English sorry for that but ... i think if evry time a traduction was bad , a fix make power Bugged after a patch and other stuff like that append i Really like to Now when Free Retcon Will come ...

To stop my subriction until the Free Retcon Be availaible ...
I don't play to farm Gold for retcon .................................................. .................................................. ................
I play to take good time with friends...

Translation:

Free retcon or I quit!

I weep for the future.

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What the ****ing probleme with giving Free retcon ..?...?

It's a game , we play for fun with friends ... Give us free Retcon , when you did Fix or modification in Power ...

All the other MMo I have played , has a good traduction in evry country language... but in CO french traduction are crap !!!! ... I'm did'nt work for Cryptic so ... go make real French traduction and dont make traduction that dont mean what the power did ...

I'm very bad in English sorry for that but ... i think if evry time a traduction was bad , a fix make power Bugged after a patch and other stuff like that append i Really like to Now when Free Retcon Will come ...

To stop my subriction until the Free Retcon Be availaible ...
I don't play to farm Gold for retcon .................................................. .................................................. ................
I play to take good time with friends...

Translations are always bad. Have yet to see a single PC game with good translations.
As it is, CO has bad descriptions in the original language, let alone translation. You'll have to be patient.
I didn't even TRY the italian translation, assuming there is one... I shudder at the very thought :D

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Translation:

Free retcon or I quit!

I weep for the future.

He said French and you said quit. Yea I totaly went there.:p

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"Bonjourrrrrrrrr, yah cheese-eatin' surrender monkeys!" - Groundskeeper Wille

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Ooh, shiny!



But it is a bonus! I think we quite agree. It's better than no bonus?

Depends if the bonus causes a bug and makes it useless

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He said French and you said quit. Yea I totaly went there.:p

This is the kind of joke that stupid people repeat because they heard someone else say it and they think it makes them sound like they know something about history.

1.7 million dead in WWI is hilarious! The French were such *****es that they only had the stomach to lose another .5 million in WWII. HA! Nothing funnier than massive death counts!

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This is the kind of joke that stupid people repeat because they heard someone else say it and they think it makes them sound like they know something about history.

1.7 million dead in WWI is hilarious! The French were such *****es that they only had the stomach to lose another .5 million in WWII. HA! Nothing funnier than massive death counts!

lighten up dude, with a something awful sig i would expect more.

important link (http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/frencharmy.jpg)

what next complaining about indendence day becaues us johnny british lost a war?*


*purely logistical i might add

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lighten up dude, with a something awful sig i would expect more.

important link (http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/frencharmy.jpg)

what next complaining about indendence day becaues us johnny british lost a war?*


*purely logistical i might add

It's not that it's edgy or offensive. It's that if it ever was funny, it isn't now because it's such a cliche.

It combines the worst aspects of "You are the weakest link, goodbye" and miscarriage jokes.

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These snarky replies always make me laugh, if the people who are not happy do leave then they are no longer subsidising the game you apprantly enjoy and as a result reinvestment in the game will be lower. Personally I like people whose philosphopies I disagree with subsidising my enjoyment, it just tastes sweeter somehow.

this.

well except for the weird part that isn't easily understood without a bit of random thinking.

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There should have been a Free Retcon today. There were a LOT of power changes.

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The question is... do you see the changes coming or not?

Hmmm everyone has TK Shield or Force Shield... I wonder why?! (<-- Rhetorical sarcasm btw)
So why do people shout and cry when they are reduced in power (nerf is not an appropriate term). They arent bad powers all of a sudden, they just arent as good or dare I say in some cases, as overpowered as they were. Live with it.
If you specced purely because you were munchkinising the best powers out there with no consideration of theme (and I dont mean the tenuous excuses many use as theme to justify power choices!) then I have no sympathy.

As they stand I dont think many powers across the various patches (bugs excepting) have really been nerfed into the ground. Most are just brought down to an acceptable level.
To date across 11 characters I dont think there have been any powers I have said are now completely useless and I must respec out of them immediately. Perhaps thats because I actually test important powers in the powerhouse before finally taking them. About the only power I may respec or not buy that was on my planned list is Defensive Combo based on the changes. I may take it later for extra threat generation but its defensive use is minimal at best now.


And just to point out WoW does NOT give free retcons willy nilly as someone suggested. Powers are tweaked, buffed or nerfed constantly without retcons. Only when a major mechanic was changed would you get a free respec.

And to point out... the reason retcons in CO are not given out every 5 mins is to prevent lvl40 players changing their whole concept over night.
Retcons in comics are radical changes that happen over a lifetime to various heroes and most only ever experience 3 or 4 max in their histories! Though I will concede I do feel the base retcon costs are still a little too high.

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So you nurfed our powers again.... And I don't have like 5000 gold to fix all 3 of my toons...
You nurfed the 2 most popular blocks in the game, took off detravelpower from conflageration, and left us all no way to fix these changes.... you must want people to quit...because, in this game there is no level 40 content worth doing. This leaves pvp, and you just messed up 50% of peoples builds in some way, and they are not going to be happy, their options are complain like me here, farm thousands of gold, or quit.... Im already sick of long que times for hero games matches.I usually spend more time queing then playing... unless you get a team that chain heals talisman+ her op lifedrain... then those games go to the end. anyways... you broke our powers, now give us a retcon to fix it, or start watching you subscription levels drop...with mine first

Learn to Play
Learn to Spell

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This is the kind of joke that stupid people repeat because they heard someone else say it and they think it makes them sound like they know something about history.

1.7 million dead in WWI is hilarious! The French were such *****es that they only had the stomach to lose another .5 million in WWII. HA! Nothing funnier than massive death counts!

Dont Forget we bailed their asses out and the French took credit for it.