Reviews.....

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I'm sick of some of the reviews. Gamespy and IGN must presumably be in league with Blizzard to make WoW last forever. All the same complaints about this game I had for WoW at first yet this game I can be something different; these guys patch the thing every other night; it's dam fun and I'm sure endgame will be there much faster than WoW. I am really sick of these supposed game opinion masters throwing down their high and mighty judgment and ruining a game before it gets off it's feet. I don't know how many promising games the high profile review sites have ruined in the last three years. It's a joke and they need to be brought down to Earth for once. They are going to effectively ruin PC gaming eventually, which seems to be their eventual goal if WoW dies, AND IT WILL.

Reviewers take a good hard look at what you are doing. You discourage players, undercut the developers budget and a game that had a great chance starts to fall from the sky in a burning blaze. You do it fast, too fast and nearly viciously. If this is your job, take other peoples jobs and fun a bit more seriously than your lazy damn near blessed job of pointlessness.

Your one to twelve staff opinions don't balance against thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of people who play with friends and family every day.

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I'm sick of some of the reviews. Gamespy and IGN must presumably be in league with Blizzard to make WoW last forever.

You do it fast, too fast and nearly viciously. If this is your job, take other peoples jobs and fun a bit more seriously than your lazy damn near blessed job of pointlessness.

Something seems related here...

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Yeah. The IGN reviewers could show a little bit more of a level headed professionalism.

But that's nothing new to anyone who's read IGN reviews.

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Greed...Greed never changes.

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Greed...Greed never changes.


AHA, I knew it!

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Reviews from those places are just for people who need to be told what to think about something. Pure and simple.

If you love something and enjoy it, then love it and enjoy it. You don't need some hack in a cube farm in an office building to tell you its good.

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I'm fine for now :p

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these guys patch the thing every other night;

You think that's maybe the problem? That Cryptic are continuously fudging these patches, and thus are deserving their reputation at the moment? Christ, you'd not say a damn thing if the reviews were gushing fanboi posts.

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Did WoW in the beginning make this kind of effort to patch quickly? Maybe the game isn't as polished, but people waited at least half a decade before WoW was even being projected to be completed. I commend them for polishing their product but the plain simple fact is that if the potential is there, the people who need a second opinion just dropped out of the running. The more people that drop out the more your fun is likely to end soon and most likely just when things were getting really really good.

Now there are games that had potential before they came out and really crapped out instantly, i.e. Tabula Rasa. That game got a 4 star review instead of a 2 like CO BY GameSpy. But that game was really crapped out, straight out of the box. They also took weeks to patch and addressed issues players had already gotten around by nagging the crap out of the GMs.

People like GameSpy have their dam name on products and often give those products outlandishly favorable reviews so the second opinion people can go through away their money.

It's BS and the biggest point here is the attempted suicide of the PC gaming industry- all the arguments against PC gaming are answered sufficiently with digital distribution which is really taking off right now. Meanwhile the reviewers are preferring to lie down on a couch and play games that although are great lack something the PC community will always have- a real strong sense of community and games with very strong creativity and backbone.

Oh well though, I guess I'll just buy a wii and a netbook and stab my own eyes out.

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:rolleyes: "I wish more people thought like us OP ... I really do."

:( "It's a shame most people are sheep, they don't trust their own judgment, and don't want to take the time to do the research."

:) "You know what I do before I buy a game?... read a review? NO! I play a demo, play the beta, play it at a friend's house, rent it (if it's a console game). If I'm not able to do any of those things - I likely won't buy it (unless it can be found in the discount bin one day... and I have some spare cash.'

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Did WoW in the beginning make this kind of effort to patch quickly?

Did WoW fudge basic game mechanics across the entire world, unbalancing the entire game through a bug that was reported, discussed and dissected by the playerbase at large? Multiple times?

Stop looking at the quantity and instead look at what's actually in those patches.

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I'm sick of some of the reviews. Gamespy and IGN must presumably be in league with Blizzard to make WoW last forever. All the same complaints about this game I had for WoW at first yet this game I can be something different; these guys patch the thing every other night; it's dam fun and I'm sure endgame will be there much faster than WoW. I am really sick of these supposed game opinion masters throwing down their high and mighty judgment and ruining a game before it gets off it's feet. I don't know how many promising games the high profile review sites have ruined in the last three years. It's a joke and they need to be brought down to Earth for once. They are going to effectively ruin PC gaming eventually, which seems to be their eventual goal if WoW dies, AND IT WILL.

Reviewers take a good hard look at what you are doing. You discourage players, undercut the developers budget and a game that had a great chance starts to fall from the sky in a burning blaze. You do it fast, too fast and nearly viciously. If this is your job, take other peoples jobs and fun a bit more seriously than your lazy damn near blessed job of pointlessness.

Your one to twelve staff opinions don't balance against thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of people who play with friends and family every day.

Well i presume i should do what you do to others. Deny you the right to your own opinion.

Ii totally understand that bleeding heart of jesus crap about the poor devs and their families and the paranoid ******** about being in league with WOW.

Opinions differ. Get over it.

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Ah ok, see you all in game or not. Point taken.

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Ok ok ok, so I'm not just walking away. :) I will apologize for not making a formal and complete argument, this is to both those who agree and disagree.

Now to poptart_fairy: you have valid points, your position is strong in respect to defense of WoW. I respect that and concede in this case. I will remind you though of three game specifically rated by Gamespy- Tabula Rasa 4 stars (previously mentioned), Hellgate London 3 stars (bad game imho, and it's officially dead, I'm not crying), Age of Conan Hyborian Adventures 4 stars (started out great, the community actually pushed the developers to nerf the whole creative vision now it's dying slowly). These are all examples of not hitting the target. Yes I know Gamespy claims and may very well hold true to rating games only at release. I can deal with that......... this is where I respond to

Todesbote666: My argument was not formal enough, I did beg the question and plead pity. Fallacies if you are aware. I did however point out a little bit about Tabula Rasa and an argument was beginning to take form. Now finally, I know my crying or vehement tone seemed to imply Gamespy should not have an opinion and I was the suppressor. BUT, I invite you to prove THAT in my own words if you can- I never said that in fact I said this, "You do it fast, too fast and nearly viciously. If this is your job, take other peoples jobs and fun a bit more seriously than your lazy damn near blessed job of pointlessness." I'm going to make the argument here-

1st- Not all "sheep" are stupid followers by choice. Some of these people don't have the time or resources to be concerned enough to take the needed steps and some of these people have valid reasons, you can not prove otherwise.

2nd- High profile reviewers take a position of authority at some point, just like the media, comparable in the gaming world to CNN. Many people are disgusted with inaccurate or overly biased news, why? Because it actually makes peoples decisions for them when it isn't fully provable or justified. Such responsibility automatically by virtue of such responsibility has an obligation to either belay the news, or be completely unbiased.

Your opinion is valid except you fall upon a stumbling block in reason/logic:

1st (and this happens in forums all too often) A Circumstantial ad Hominem is a fallacy in which one attempts to attack a claim by asserting that the person making the claim is making it simply out of self interest. In some cases, this fallacy involves substituting an attack on a person's circumstances (such as the person's religion, political affiliation, ethnic background, etc.). In this case the fact that I am not a high profile reviewer, essentially you are attacking my character which isn't a valid form of reason.

2nd The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an "argument." I.E.

"Well i presume i should do what you do to others. Deny you the right to your own opinion.

Ii totally understand that bleeding heart of jesus crap about the poor devs and their families and the paranoid ******** about being in league with WOW."

This supports the first fallacy. You are not directly attacking my character or circumstance. But then if you are not you need much more complete reasoning to THIS RESPONSE.

And finally to all those still playing the game that hate it, leave. You did waste your money. This problem of wasting said money is your responsibility. When seen this way might you not take a step back and let the artist finish the painting first? Or how about we throw away 54$ and change and think nothing of it?

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I'm sick of some of the reviews. Gamespy and IGN must presumably be in league with Blizzard to make WoW last forever. All the same complaints about this game I had for WoW at first yet this game I can be something different; these guys patch the thing every other night; it's dam fun and I'm sure endgame will be there much faster than WoW. I am really sick of these supposed game opinion masters throwing down their high and mighty judgment and ruining a game before it gets off it's feet. I don't know how many promising games the high profile review sites have ruined in the last three years. It's a joke and they need to be brought down to Earth for once. They are going to effectively ruin PC gaming eventually, which seems to be their eventual goal if WoW dies, AND IT WILL.

Reviewers take a good hard look at what you are doing. You discourage players, undercut the developers budget and a game that had a great chance starts to fall from the sky in a burning blaze. You do it fast, too fast and nearly viciously. If this is your job, take other peoples jobs and fun a bit more seriously than your lazy damn near blessed job of pointlessness.

Your one to twelve staff opinions don't balance against thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of people who play with friends and family every day.

OK so let me get this straight... you read a review that you didn't agree with.. and you have managed to spin a black helicopter conspiracy out of this? Why don't you go over to the tech support forums and tell the people there that this game is great. Tell this to the people that have posted that they can't even play the game now for 2 weeks because of crashes caused by shoddy patches. Tell this to the people that are being told time and again by tech support that it's their PSU, their Gfx card, or insert random hardware excuse here when the hardware has been tested and works on everything except this program. I'll make sure to call you a priest for your last rites.

IGN scored Champions Online a 7.6
IGN scored WarGames a 7 (and before you say what is that or why does this even matter, WarGames shipped with the "marburg" virus on every copy of the game and IGN still gave them a above sub-decent
decent score. Look into the history of both the Publisher and Developer and you will find they were basically
no name companies. The developer even changed the name of their company after this fiasco.

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More people not reading the whole thread? And BTW Gamespy does assist with production put their logo on things etc, you have seen this. Also what is the most praised MMORPG on Gamespy? Why does it get attention almost every other week? The conspiracy snide was a snide........ read the rest of the post please. I conceded in this with poptart_fairy.

Your bubble has been burst.

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"IGN scored WarGames a 7 (and before you say what is that or why does this even matter, WarGames shipped with the "marburg" virus on every copy of the game and IGN still gave them a above sub-decent
decent score."

You are actually reinforcing my argument here BTW.

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"IGN scored WarGames a 7 (and before you say what is that or why does this even matter, WarGames shipped with the "marburg" virus on every copy of the game and IGN still gave them a above sub-decent
decent score."

You are actually reinforcing my argument here BTW.


By pointing out that IGN gave Champions Online a fair shake just like they did with a game
that shipped with a computer virus?

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By pointing out inconsistency. I'd give a game that shipped with a virus a 40 or below.

Lets also talk about "review". Yes in game review world it actually means first impressions but in most other areas of the world it means to view again after already being studied. This again is part of the argument- view and "review". Again 2 stars from Gamespy when Tabula Rasa got 4, and Hellgate London 3 stars. INCONSISTENCY!

But why are you here in the "Fan" Base Alpha?

INCONSISTENCY!

Stop playing.

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By pointing out inconsistency. I'd give a game that shipped with a virus a 40 or below.

Lets also talk about "review". Yes in game review world it actually means first impressions but in most other areas of the world it means to view again after already being studied. This again is part of the argument- view and "review". Again 2 stars from Gamespy when Tabula Rasa got 4, and Hellgate London 3 stars. INCONSISTENCY!

But why are you here in the "Fan" Base Alpha?

INCONSISTENCY!

Stop playing.

So I have no place here because I am critical of them?

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Do you like the game and see yourself playing it for six months or more given the potential for all bugs/economy/mechanics to be hashed out and polished? If so you do belong here.

If you are in the "fan" area of the site on a crusade to convince others this games sucks I'm not sure this is the appropriate area of the forums. I'm not saying there isn't an appropriate place for your view. I'm not saying your view is wrong. I'm arguing at this point with reason and logic. Anyone who is very displeased with the game should probably realize the futility of leading others in this particular area of the site away from playing the game. That would be considered malicious, not enlightening.

But maybe I'm not listening to you clearly, maybe you love it and wanted it polished and dressed smart. That's cool. If so I just ask for players patience. I believe the developers are trying, and communication is the beginning of a sincere attempt to create a wonderful game experience.

Virtuous competition breeds perfection and something must challenge the elephant sitting in the room. Even if it is very different, only one complete option, all others undercut by impatience and favoritism fails all of us.

I think I misread your tone a bit, another difficulty of forums. Maybe you agree with me but just did not like my presentation and wanted a more even balance, yet you still hope for the best. I think this is so, and as such I apologize for the comment "stop playing".

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I'm sick of some of the reviews. Gamespy and IGN must presumably be in league with Blizzard to make WoW last forever.

Uh, yes? I'm not trying to insult you... but there isn't a news station, radio show, or newspaper out there that doesn't try to give a subtle (or unsubtle) push to their own ideals and political agenda. Big review companies are no different. The only real difference is that it's about money, and not so much ideals or political agenda.

The best thing you can do is take everything they say tongue in cheek. If a game is truly awful, they are generally good about reporting it as such... generally. But the ones that are only mediocre are a different story altogether. There are too many games currently out (WoW being one of them) that have received an inaccurate or biased review that hailed them as revolutionary. Your answer as to why is green in color and fits in your wallet.

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Yeah I guess it ends at green green green like everything else in America, BUT only through the next fiscal quarter. Short sightedness, impatience, greed, stupidity, blatant disregard for others security/stability: it's all there, not just in games I suppose.

Yet look, Gamespy really missed the mark. They happen to be the lowest score in the reviews list and anywhere I can find as well. AND people are flaming the reviewer that wrote the article! One of his points was he was too generous with another MMORPG and it dropped like a rock so he was going to basically go hard on CO. That's logical, lets all take that philosophy in life. Lets see how many friends, family, resources, contacts we maintain by stereotyping due to OUR OWN MISTAKES. He even points out my exact argument- he "reviewed" too early but continues to go on writing CO in the ditch too early anyhow. Hypocrite.

And yes Roper was directing another game that flopped, but um don't people learn from mistakes or should we put that in the bucket of philosophy too? - that no one ever does?

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Did WoW fudge basic game mechanics across the entire world, unbalancing the entire game through a bug that was reported, discussed and dissected by the playerbase at large? Multiple times?

Stop looking at the quantity and instead look at what's actually in those patches.

Multiple times, not to mention the infamous "Accidentally give a dev only item with the ability to autokill anything within 200ft to a player incident."