Nerf Celestial.

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Thought I'd go ahead and get the inevitable out of the way.

We know very little about the celestial set so far other than a few pretty teaser shots. We do however know that it needs to be nerfed. It keeps knocking me back. Or doing too much damage? Perhaps it holds me. Or maybe I just can't kill it. But whatever the case is, nerf it into the effing ground already.

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DON'T NERF PVE BECAUSE OF PVP!

Heh, did you see that? That was me mocking you.

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Nerf this and nerf that lol... probaly all this talk is why PvE seems so well broken cause of all the "I cant kill this toon in PvP NERF!" ever stop to think that maybe just maybe your doing something wrong on your part?

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DON'T NERF PVE BECAUSE OF PVP!

Heh, did you see that? That was me mocking you.

Did I say anything about pve? I could care less how it does in pve, it keeps killing me, so nerf it already!

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I second this motion and automatically second every other motion Anxiety puts forward in perpetuity.

I don't know how to counter any of these mystical Celestial abilities, and I don't care to put the thought in to do so. It's clearly overpowered and must be reduced. All of their abilities obviously make things far too easy because nobody considers the common builds people use and create builds using the very nice build feature that allows fast switching of gear, costumes, powers and roles.

In fact, that's too powerful too.


Nerf build changes. The 60 second delay when used in the middle of battle is too short. They switched and now they're not being hurt as much and I can't kill them in 60 seconds like that. Make it so you can't ever switch builds in battle, so I can kill -them- with little effort. But make sure you nerf Celestials too, because they're just OP'd.

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Nerf nerfs. There's no way to counter the nerfs when they nerf the nerfs, and don't tell me to L2P because anyone who doesn't think the nerfed nerfs need a nerf are just nerfing the nerfs themselves.

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Ah. So this is where the sane people hang out.

The signal to noise ratio in the Powers section was rather unbearable.

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L2p? :d


<3?

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Thought I'd go ahead and get the inevitable out of the way.

We know very little about the celestial set so far other than a few pretty teaser shots. We do however know that it needs to be nerfed. It keeps knocking me back. Or doing too much damage? Perhaps it holds me. Or maybe I just can't kill it. But whatever the case is, nerf it into the effing ground already.

Nerf everything!!!!!!

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I used to be a regular PVPer, kicking butt and taking names.

But ever since the Celestial powerset was announced, I feel less super and more clowny.

ROLL BACK THE ANNOUNCEMENT!

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Also nerf werewolves.
And zombies in the Zombie Apocalypse PvP scenario. Also ban them, they are always attacking us living players and thats discriminating.

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I used to be a regular PVPer, kicking butt and taking names.

But ever since the Celestial powerset was announced, I feel less super and more clowny.

ROLL BACK THE ANNOUNCEMENT!

Nerf Issmir. He didn't cook me dinner last night! ;)

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Wouldn't he need a nerf if he *did* cook you dinner? Maybe it's time to respec him.

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I heard that nobody gets a full respec.. ever! because they are called retcons. :p :eek::eek:

We need a Dev here!!!!!!! I'm waiting to hear from the Devs... personally... right now!!!

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i am sorry but clearly its not the celestial announcement that needs to be nerfed, its the that its combined with the release of zombies and werewolves. By itself its fine, but when applied with this min/max idea...:p

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i can only do 1 dmg to Celestial users, may i have nerfs pls?

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I heard Dr. Baltimore pwned the Celestials already!

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Look instead of calling for nerfs to the celestial announcement how about cryptic buff the other announcements upto the strength of the celestials?

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Nerf it!

I was killed in a completely stationary fight while I spammed 2! NOT FAIR, I should be able to kill players the same way I kill henchmen!

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

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Celestial werewolf zombies stole my cookies :(.

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Wouldn't he need a nerf if he *did* cook you dinner? Maybe it's time to respec him.

Nah, cooking dinner is part of the cooldown on the Engaged To Candy Floss line of Celestial.

Apparently "L2Take Out" isn't appropriate!

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I tried using every power I had from every toon I had against the Celestials and I could not hit them a single time.
This game used to be fun but if it keeps going like this, I'll just have to quit.
You guys were great until this, but everytime I think about it I get sick to my stomach.
I guess it is back to City and age of ******** Online for me.
I've been playing mmos since the 5th century and I've never seen suck OP characters.
Bai everyone, it was fun while it lasted.

Oh, and here is a quote form a very creditable forum that will totally make my point.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Diguitz/trolls.jpg

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You guys all suck. I went up against an Invul Regen Celestial player with mini-mines that constantly chilled me, and I killed him with my butt. I'm dual blades, with the nerf-bat power replacer... couldn't have been easier.

NERF ME! NERF ME ALREADY!!!

FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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I don't know what you lot are on but some !! Its obvious my Celestial build archangel is way UNDER POWERED !! Before they made the announcement in my imagination my angel char was wiping out whole zones with a single button click and now your telling me I gotta select my powers !!!

Sorry this is game breaking imo and I want a FULL REFUND RIGHT NOW !!! and if you don't make the celestial framework match my imagination I and at least 10 WHOLE guilds of people will leave immediately !!!!

Just my 2 cents
Gadareth

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I think I really like Celestial. It may be overpowered but I like it that way. I have asked for 2 days off from work to level up to 40 before the inevitable nerf hits it.

Please develop another overpowered power that is destined to be nerfed so I can have more time off. ty

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It's decided. I'm moving to this forum.

Except the last poster I like you all <3

Hai guys!

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Don't nerf Celestial! Celestial is supposed to be based off of the power of the Gods, and so players who play Celestial need to be at least as powerful as God. If you nerf Celestial even slightly, you ruin the RP ramifications!

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http://www.ubercharged.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/cry-some-more.png

All I have to say on this issue...

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I say we nerf that Nerf Bat powerset

That thing pwned me so bad my CoH characters are going *snickerpoint*

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My current Celestial Character, Saint Gordito III, can currently freely transmute water into wine or fish, walks on water, heals lepers, cures blindness, and parts seas. Some people say this is overpowered, but they just don't understand the dynamics of the set. Each of these abilities form an essential fusion that allow my character to operate - you can't nerf a single one of them! Please - don't crucify Celestial!

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I have a friend whos friend was totally a "hackorz" (Whatever that mean) and he totally got a 733T unreleased version of Celestial on this toon in CO. It caused my acne to break out, my dog to die, and my girlfriend broke up with me for him because of his uberness. I second the third notion to NERF CELESTIAL NOW

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Celestials clearly need to be way overpowered at the start then 4 days in I think the best course of action would be to nerf every skill they have.
Make the heals heal so little its not ever worth using with an 8 second delay, also if you use that skill in the 8 second delay have it drain your energy for no real reason.
I also think targetting seemingly mediocre skills making them kill next to nothing and then leaving powerful skills that are clearly better than the rest of celestials moveset as they are for balancing purposes.

Celestials clearly have a better name than some other powers which isn't fair in character creation. The name needs to be nerfed so other powers will be equally looked at.

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I DEMANDED THAT CRYPTIC NERF CELESTIAL 5 MINUTES AGO AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED ME!!!!!111 I'M GOING BACK TO *********! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

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I dont get it when people get upset about godlike beings being too powerful. :eek:

Seriously, Celestials are suppose to be over the top. They are suppose to be the mega-hitters of the comic world. Look at any comic and it is the celestial level heroes and villains that dominate any battle. Put a god against a gadget dude and the poor little gizmo-head looses every time.

Why would you get upset if you lose against a celestial? It is suppose to happen. The amazing thing is that the few people who actually learn to play this game using strategy and tactics can do quite well against these over powered buffooons in PvP. Learn to use your head and you might win against an unwinnable opponent.

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Nerf shoelaces. There.. I said it.

Viva La Velcro Revolucion!

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Just thought i'd add this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJu8xaRPD2c

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Nerf shoelaces. There.. I said it.

Viva La Velcro Revolucion!

jajajajaja

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I demand the Devs do something about Dr. Manhattan.


If that's not OP'd, I don't know what is. He just totally pwned me and now unless they fix it IMMEDIATELY, I'm going to EMORAGEQUIT.

I don't care if they have other, more critical bugs to work on, like the one that caused the patch server and live server to go down for maintenance. I paid over 200$ for this game, and I have every right to be as powerful and skilled as I am in my dreams at night.

It may be only a collection of pixels on a screen, but me dying in-game to such terrible and broken powers like Dr. Manhattan has is important! FIX IT! NAO!
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This is where I come to be sane after trying to provide logical, straightforward advice in other combat/power areas of Hero Games and CO forums.

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No, no, no the problem with Celestial is that its [] works too well when combined with the [] power it gives you leading to a character block spams [] and []. So clearly this whole set needs to be rethought and rebuild from the ground up. And don't even get me started on how OP it is when combined with Telepathy!

If Celestial goes live in its current form I'm going to quit and take my guild, and my guilds friends, and their parents, and my third cousin twice removed Lester--who is so considering buying this game if he had a job and I know he'd get the lifetime subscription so there Cryptic that is like a million dollars you just lost GG!!! :mad:

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Look, I pvp, and I am tired of logging in and having to read all the whining about Celestial powers being OP'd. A LOT of the powers in the powerset dont even work well for pvp, they're interruptable support heals and if I hear one more loser kid whine about the Angry Death Rickroller DoT/hold maintain, I am going to spam "BLOCK" in every forum anywhere ever until my index fingers are worn away. There are only two powers from the whole set, the afore-mentioned ADM and the OMeGa Hell Avenging Xylophone, that actually have anyuse in PvP, and if you can't figure out the proper counter (WHICH IS ICE SHIELD), than either take the powers yourself or GTFO of my arena, kthxbai.

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Thought I'd go ahead and get the inevitable out of the way.

We know very little about the celestial set so far other than a few pretty teaser shots. We do however know that it needs to be nerfed. It keeps knocking me back. Or doing too much damage? Perhaps it holds me. Or maybe I just can't kill it. But whatever the case is, nerf it into the effing ground already.

maybe you just suck in pvp?

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ALL YOUR WHINING JUST GOT MY DUAL NERF BATS... NERFED.

I'm about to an hero so hard.

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maybe you just suck in pvp?

And the Golden Facepalm Award of the day goes to...

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I entered into the arena last night and the entire opposing team was filled with Angels wielding these new, and heavily unbalanced powers.

In combination with teleport and block, to say they were unstoppable is an understatement, and their celestial like ability to resurrect enemies, only to be able to kill them again just threw things over the top.

In general I do not come complain on the forums, but this has brought me out to post. It is just too much. Doing a kill ratio comparison the average person running a non celestial build against teams without celestials (and there were so few of these) was fairly spread out based on skill.

Non Celestial Based Teams Example Numbers
15...08 | 12...06
12...07 | 08...08
11...04 | 07...07
08...09 | 01...25

Celestial Versus Non Celestial Based Team Numbers
173...0 | 14...-1
159...0 | 3...-1
152...1(?) | 1...-1
130...0 | 1...-1
3...19 | 1...-1

Celestial Versus Celestial Based Team Numbers
02...00 | 00...00
00...00 | 00...00
00...00 | 00...00
00...00 | 00...02

Their ability to bring back opponents in addition to racking up their numbers completely broke the scoring system and caused matches to never end. Everyone inside was trapped in a living nightmare, being brought back and killed over and over again.

I submitted a help ticket regarding the obvious issues, but shortly before being killed one of the opposing team members replied in person to the just submitted ticket to me stating that this is working as intended, but they are looking into the fact that future buffs may be needed to bring it to a truly celestial level.

Their celestial light passive that causes all characters with any shadow powers to cower in corners I feel may also be slightly unbalanced, though I cannot make an argument for that since it seems to only affect shadow characters which leaves them at a disadvantage(really?) against non shadow based characters.

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I demand a free full respec, if we don't get it, me, my friends, their friends, their grandmas, fluffy (my great dane dog), my guild and all guilds that start with the same letter will cancel our 2 lifetime subscriptions each (cause, just in case we died and came back as zombies). The reason is obvious... from the press release:
"Use the power of the Seraphim to heal and strengthen your allies, or release the fury of the Nephilim in a battle against evil."
Well, since superheroes are not 'evil', half my powers don't work in PvP! I want respec!!! I got no respec, no respec at all

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I dont get it when people get upset about godlike beings being too powerful. :eek:

Seriously, Celestials are suppose to be over the top. They are suppose to be the mega-hitters of the comic world. Look at any comic and it is the celestial level heroes and villains that dominate any battle. Put a god against a gadget dude and the poor little gizmo-head looses every time.

Why would you get upset if you lose against a celestial? It is suppose to happen. The amazing thing is that the few people who actually learn to play this game using strategy and tactics can do quite well against these over powered buffooons in PvP. Learn to use your head and you might win against an unwinnable opponent.

Ahh! Fanboy! Fanboy! Cryptic-lover! Why do you defend the devs! You're nothing but an OBVOUS plant, here to MAEK us THINK the game is more than just a PvP engine for me and my tweenie guild!

I'm HRDCORE and REAL and GAMER and leet and better than you and I know more about development cycles, commerce law, and what FUN is than all the rest of you put together and I'm gonna LWSUIT and if you argue with me you're a fanboy! FANBOY!!1!

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I'm HRDCORE and REAL and GAMER and leet and ...

You forgot PRO!

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What about us lifetime subscribers? When I bought mine I expected that the game would always be like the first 10 seconds I played of the open beta, I want a refund + restitution! :)

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You forgot PRO!

You are indeed correct.


I am shamed.

;)