Why only 10 fps with lowest possible settings?

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Iv tried everything now, updated drivers, read all kinds of optimization threads, defrag etc etc. Still horrible fps with EVERYTHING on lowest possible..

I have the following spec:

Dell laptop with:
2.4 dual core
Vista 32
4 gig ram
gforce 8600 gt 256 memory

I can go about my business with 60 fps for a few minutes, then moments later we are talking 5-10 tops fps for the rest of the session. Its not related to area, or number of players i meet or anything. This low fps can occure while standing still. What on earth is going on? I cant believe its supposed to run this bad with my rig. Sure its not high end but still should be able to play fluently enough, especially with everything on low. In fact im hoping i can play on higher setting with 20+ fps !

I think i had one session lasting 1 hour with 60 fps and I was super happy, however 80% of the time im sitting at 4-10 fps. Anyone else experienced this? Its not necc lag related becuase i do not get too bad rubber band effect lately, but what can it be?

I can run other games fine with decent detail and good fps, I dont think its something wrong with my hardware either. hmm..

Hope someone have something insightful info or similar experience !

Cheers
Avantor

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If you are running Vista or Windows 7 I highly reccomend IOBit Gamebooster, it helped me a ton when it came to this problem...now the only slowdown I experience is when I am flying, but that is because my processor is too slow.

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I'm actually using that as well, it boosted my fps from 50 to 60 on the good moments but still 5-10 fps most of the time. This is a mystery for me tbh, becuase it seems like my rig on lowest possible settings would run on 50 60 fps. What I dont get is the insane low fps which unfortunately is 80% of the time. Im not convinced its hardware related, but then again what else can it be?

Why would my fps fluctuate like this? Why can I play other games on very decent settings, I have above the minimum spec, it shouldnt be down to below 10 fps for general gameplay! Why can i have hours (very few occasions) with 60 fps, and days with 10 fps? Wierd!!

CHeers!
Avantor

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I had a very similar machine except my processor is a 2.9 dual core. With the 4gb ram and 8600 I got around 12-15 in the desert and a little less in MC near rennasaince center. I started to go through each of my settings turning things either off, or down. Some things I kept high, but I sure dont remember which settings I used.

Somebody posted an amazing settings guide in the beta forums but not sure if it's still up.

Anybody know if this is around...it would really help the OP.

And then, I went and dished out the $73 on ebay for a 9800gt. I'm running max settings with 25-45fps most times. Sometimes it goes up to 60. I know money can be tight, hence the cheap card, but if you can...make that upgrade!

Good Luck!

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But isnt it wierd that I have above minimal rig (id say im in middle of minimum and reccomended) and with everything on frigging super lowest of the lowest i get 5-10 fps? Yet periods with 60fps? hmm I dont get it, just dont get it at all.

THx for the latest info, ill see if i can manage to find out more. However I have been adjusting quite a few things, all new drivers, installed some game performance increasing software etc.

Problem im sitting on a laptop, so upgrading just pieces is a no go. It would have to be a full new purchase.

Oh well!

keep it coming!

Cheers!
Avantor

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You're not running into overheating are you? Also make sure your game resolution is higher than the desktop resolution, that has helped me on a few games. Other than that not sure what else could be causing problems aside from it might being your video card needing an upgrade.

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But 8600 gt isnt that bad is it? Well sure i wont be near good fps with full settings but lowest of the low? Hmmm

Iv tried to monitor heat of my graphic card and its not too warm whent he fps hit occurs, I even tried overclocking it, increased the fps in good period, still down to 5-10 fps bad period. Dont get why I had one full day of 60 fps, while mostly i see 10 fps (and its not area related either hmm).

Does bad fps equal problems on my behalf only? Can it be something else? Like for some reason not too optimized for the 8600 series gforce or something similar? (as in it can be improved if cryptic optimize some stuff?)

Regarding resolution, I tried all kinds of resolution ingame and it only changed my fps during good periods, the bad period always result in a below 10 fps for some odd reason :\

Cheers!

Thx for all info so far!

Avantor

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Oh dang, you're on a laptop :(.

Your issues of going from 10 in some areas or certian times, and then jumping to 60 didn't happen to me. Until I adjusted my settings, I was at that 15ish range with slightly lower hickups in MC.

| did however go from 15 to 25 by adjusting using the guide I mentioned...just wish someone had it handy!

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It seems like Im supposed to get 50- 60 fps under normal circumstances with everything on low, but something kicks in and the fps plummits.

Maybe you are referring to this link?

http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=28443

Iv tried everything there. As already mentioned, it did help my fps in normal good periods, however when the **** hits the fan, its 5-10 fps. One time i was standing still in the power room, i was alone in a hallway, super nice fps 60+.. sudd 5-10 fps. None passed me, none graphical extra things happend, I hadnt moved, I was on the phone irl. Things like that I dont get at all.

Cheers!
Avantor

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I have a macbook pro with similar specs except I have 512 megs on my video card and running 64 bit vista.

With middle range-ish settings I get 30-40 FPS almost all the time.

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Hmm its quite wierd you can get that good fps with higher settings and similar graphic card hmm. Still I think something wierd is up, becuase I can manage 60 fps in some periods. Im trying to determine whats causing the 10 fps slowmo periods.

An even wierder scenario: Friend of mine have exactly the same laptop with similar specs, he doesnt suffer from my 10 fps slowmo periods. We both ran benchmark and I performed better than him (slightly faster cpu and abit more ram, same graphic card). So my hardware is ok it seems, yet the 10 fps periods.. wierd wierd. Same laptops, but Im the only one with 10 fps lol! We have different isp, but wouldnt think that could affect fps?

Cheers!
Avantor

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Update: did some more tweaking with the system and have increased the 60 fps up to about 65 fps, but still i get the periods with 5-10 fps, its not gpu temperature, nor do i think its the graphic card cause its performance in benchmark tests show its working as intended hmm..

Im hoping its something cryptics optimization process will take care of

Cheers
Avantor

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MOBILE video card do not represent their desktop most of time the
the shaders are typical cut in half and they dont same bit wide bus

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i have a gtx295 and im lucky if i get over 35fps in any of the zones ive even tried it on low settings and it still dont get over 35fps its just dam weird

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Iv tried everything now, updated drivers, read all kinds of optimization threads, defrag etc etc. Still horrible fps with EVERYTHING on lowest possible..

I have the following spec:

Dell laptop with:
2.4 dual core
Vista 32
4 gig ram
gforce 8600 gt 256 memory

I can go about my business with 60 fps for a few minutes, then moments later we are talking 5-10 tops fps for the rest of the session. Its not related to area, or number of players i meet or anything. This low fps can occure while standing still. What on earth is going on? I cant believe its supposed to run this bad with my rig. Sure its not high end but still should be able to play fluently enough, especially with everything on low. In fact im hoping i can play on higher setting with 20+ fps !

I think i had one session lasting 1 hour with 60 fps and I was super happy, however 80% of the time im sitting at 4-10 fps. Anyone else experienced this? Its not necc lag related becuase i do not get too bad rubber band effect lately, but what can it be?

I can run other games fine with decent detail and good fps, I dont think its something wrong with my hardware either. hmm..

Hope someone have something insightful info or similar experience !

Cheers
Avantor

check your card with gpu z http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/ make sure your bus width is at least 256 or higher, if its below 256, that is likely the cause, budget bin cards usually have a very small bud width , it wouldn't matter how powerful a video card is, if it has a tiny bus then its junk

im running the newest model of the Nvidia BFG 275 gtx + OC and it has a bus width of 448 bits, the card breezes through champions online on the highest settings largely due to this

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i have a gtx295 and im lucky if i get over 35fps in any of the zones ive even tried it on low settings and it still dont get over 35fps its just dam weird

If your running with 3 gb of memory, it will hamper the video cards performance

a card of that caliber requires 2 gb of system memory alone just to operate correctly if your running a 32 bit os you'll need to upgrade to 64 bit and get more ram, 4 - 5 gb at least, running with 16 gb memory presently and using about 9.8 >.<

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If your running with 3 gb of memory, it will hamper the video cards performance

a card of that caliber requires 2 gb of system memory alone just to operate correctly if your running a 32 bit os you'll need to upgrade to 64 bit and get more ram, 4 - 5 gb at least, running with 16 gb memory presently and using about 9.8 >.<

wtf... you're actively using 10gigs of ram? Are you playing on the server hosting these forums?

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Check to make sure your video card is not overheating. Thats what its ounds like to me.

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Update: It seems my bus width is indeed below 256, its 128. So that is a bottleneck. Still, why would I get periods of 60 fps, even several hours? Doesnt make sense that the bus should fluctuate my fps from 60 down to 10. If its bus alone, wouldnt my fps always be low?

I guess Ill start monitoring more closely the gpu temperature, though I did so in the past and it didnt seem too warm then.

Cheers
Avantor

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I don't think it's your computer, I think there's something in the game that's eating up CPU or GPU usage. It seems to be affecting a lot of people.

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Turn off threaded optimization in the nvidia control panel.

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Dell laptop, Vista 32


Here are your problems

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@Xarry: Thx Ill try it out now.

@ghost777: Care to elaborate? You did read my threads right? That I am getting 60 fps in some periods, but that it drops down to 10? In other words, my rig, my laptop, my vista 32 can handle 60 fps though not maintain it for extended periods. (I think i had one long session with like 7 hours of good fps, but 80% of the time im sitting below 10)

Cheers
Avantor

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Here are your problems

Meme-boi much?

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Try to disable FPS throttling or whatever is called this option to have a "smoother" fps in video options, I'm not in headstart so can't check but I remember this option was causing me major FPS slowdown in open beta.

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@Xarry: Thx Ill try it out now.

@ghost777: Care to elaborate? You did read my threads right? That I am getting 60 fps in some periods, but that it drops down to 10? In other words, my rig, my laptop, my vista 32 can handle 60 fps though not maintain it for extended periods. (I think i had one long session with like 7 hours of good fps, but 80% of the time im sitting below 10)

Cheers
Avantor

I don't really understand your last sentence in parens. You say you had good FPS, no value attached, then go on to say it's bad 80% of the time. So what is good?

As far as fluctuating between 10-60 fps, that sounds normal. It all depends on how much you are trying to push through that card. The memory is very low on that card so it's quite limited. The best thing I can recommend is to drop the resolution down, and make sure all shading and bloom effects are off. Matter of fact, make sure to verify that all special fx are turned off.

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Get a Radeon 4870 or better. Ati's cheaper than Nvidia and it runs amazingly on full blast. :D

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i have a intel pentium 4ht 3.0ghz single core
radeon x1650 pro 512mb
2 gigs of ram

i should be able to play the game on default settings with shadows turned off just fine. ive only played open beta so far. my frame rate is always low. i even lowered the resolution and all graffics settings to off and lowest settings and i still get a low frame rate. with all the settings on off and lowest settings the game looks like everquest 1 before it got a graffics upgrade.

the problem is not with our computers. the problem is the game. it just needs to be optimized. i play age of conan and vanguard just fine now. at lauch they had low frame rates too. champions needs to be optimized and i havent heard the devs mention yet that they are going to optimize. maybe there are memory leaks too. but anyways just optimize please.

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This seems to be a similar problem to mine. I run at perfect FPS with every setting maxed, except for one thing. If I tab targets, or turn around, it freezes for 1 second then continues.

2 SLIed Nvidia 295 GTxs
12 GB
Intel Core i7 3.20 GHz
Vista 64 bit
Run at 1920 x 1200 resolution in game

Any help would be appreciated!

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I know some laptops will use SpeedStep or similar applications to throttle CPU speed. This throttling will occur even when the processor in use and would explain why it periodically chokes. Check your system with CPUID or a similar diag to see of your CPU speed is fluctuating. If it is, then this is probably at least part of your issue.

Some laptops will also have CPU throttling options in the BIOS.

There is information on the web on how to bypass this, but use caution and be warned. This function is there for a reason in notebooks. It can mean the difference between a laptop lasting ten years or five in the best case scenario. It could also fry out in a week without the throttling as a worst case.

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This game once managed to use up 100% of my 3.8 ghz quad core CPU once. All I was doing was B.A.S.H. Friends believe the optimization is terrible. Game needs to be fine tuned to better accept hardware.

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I have same issue. I'm on win 7 with a macbook pro 13". I'll get 40 fps on my fav settings, then all of a sudden it drops to a consistant 10fps no matter where i am or doing. If I exit the game and pop back in itll go back up to my normal FPS for some random amount of time.


Usually if I survive 10 mins I'll be fine though.

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I had some lag during beta and my framerate dropped off a couple of time, but I have had VERY few problems with the game itself besides a handful of bugged missions and such.

This maybe due to the fact that I'm in the same TZ as teh primary server, though. Other than that, I don't know what you guys problems could be besides your system itself.

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And then, I went and dished out the $73 on ebay for a 9800gt. I'm running max settings with 25-45fps most times. Sometimes it goes up to 60. I know money can be tight, hence the cheap card, but if you can...make that upgrade!

Good Luck!

a 9800 gt is not a cheap card and it exceeds the recommended card, we should not be having this issue and it's really starting to **** me off.

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I don't think it's your computer, I think there's something in the game that's eating up CPU or GPU usage. It seems to be affecting a lot of people.

It is the game and it's becoming ridiculous.

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Laptops are crap for gaming. Seriously. Even a current mid-line gaming tower will blow your setup away. 8600 laptop video? That's....very old and low-end if it were in a tower. I'm sure your laptop is fine for old games like WoW, but....ouch for new games.

Laptops are made for portability and battery life, NOT for gaming power.

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Dell laptop with:
2.4 dual core


WOOOP WOOOP WOOOOP RED ALERT...

Your CPU is too slow, and also an older model than the game threading technology is written for. Sorry.

Either the devs seriously understated the recommended specs to play, or the coders really buggered the threading code to only function well on CPUs that are a maximum of 6-months to 1 year old.

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threading? what threading? I've got 4 physical 8 logical cores and just 1 gets used for CO. Not even the hyperthreading of that core is used.

In any case, i'm willing to bet it's the videocard memory. As your on a laptop there's a good chance it's shared. As soon as you need to load in new textures, the game needs to go to system memory and that's *alot* slower then say, dedicated Gddr3 ram.

Ultimately, Don't game on a laptop. Or atleast count on it running smooth. Up until 2 years back if you where gaming on a laptop you where either a fool or on a holiday.

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Alot of responses here that claim its the laptop not being good enough etc.. You guys fail to read the follolwing line Iv written tons of times now, ill try with capslock on this time:

*Capslock of shout-doom activated*

I CAN PLAY THIS GAME ON 60+ FPS FOR EXTENDED PERIOD. THEFORE MY HARDWARE PROVES ITS UP TO THE TASK.

PROBLEM IS MOST OF THE TIME I DO HAVE BAD PERIODS WITH 5-10 FPS. AND ITS NOT RELATED TO AREAS EITHER.

If my rig is not good enough, why can i play 6 hours + (if im very lucky) with 60 fps? Problem is the 5-10 fps periods which unfortunately is what im seeing most often, like 80% of the time.

And again, I can stand still in an area and have 60 fps +, no other player near me, standing still and suddenly im down to 5-10 fps until next session.

My laptop have a gforce 8600 with 256 RAM. Its higher than minimum req. and with everything on low, you guys cant be serious that my rig is supposed to run 5-10 fps? I thought 2,4 dual core 4 gig ram and 8600 gforce would be sufficient.. Yes im not expecting super fps on full settings, Im expecting playable on lowest possible setting.

Cheers!
Avantor

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repeat... threading and multi-core use is the problem.

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Why wont the frames increase when i go from 1680x1050 to 800x600 ???
That must be a part of the problem , in other games my fps will increase alot.

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Why wont the frames increase when i go from 1680x1050 to 800x600 ???
That must be a part of the problem , in other games my fps will increase alot.

Sounds like you have some FPS smoother on, or that "performance-quality" balance slider not set properly.

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WOOOP WOOOP WOOOOP RED ALERT...

Your CPU is too slow, and also an older model than the game threading technology is written for. Sorry.

Either the devs seriously understated the recommended specs to play, or the coders really buggered the threading code to only function well on CPUs that are a maximum of 6-months to 1 year old.

He exceeds the minimum specs by quite a bit. The game only calls for a 1.8ghz dual core setup. The game is optimized VERY poorly at this point. Let me give you an example , I have :



AMD 3.4ghz Quad core black edition processor
6gb DDR3 ram
ATI 4870 crossfired video cards
750 watt power supply


There are times when I also get slowdowns. No other game on the market can make me even hiccup, but I occasionally get problems with this one.

It's the coding. Nuff said.


( Just for those interested, I can build this rig for you and incorporate a top of the line ASUS motherboard for 1300 dollar+ shipping. The system is called the banshee, send me a PM to know more. )

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Sounds like you have some FPS smoother on, or that "performance-quality" balance slider not set properly.

Thx for the headsup but i dont have it on, anybody tried standing at a crowded place and turned off the UI?
Im sure the game still wont run with stable fps but when i turn it off my frames just go up.

http://www.teddy.cistron.nl/uion.jpg <---31 fps

http://www.teddy.cistron.nl/uioff.jpg <----53 fps

Now there alot of things you have to think of like standing in a crowded place or whatnot but you can't tell me this is good.

This is the fps increase i expect when i lower my freakin resolution, not my UI!!:)

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I think it was already stated that it's how the game was optimized. It was designed for computers that were made in 2009. And that it was coded for CPU intsead of GPU. So as of right now like a huge majority of us can't play the game with more then 5fps simply cause the game isn't made for us. So really it isn't anyones computer. It's how the game was designed. All we can do is just wait and hope they put more time into getting the game to run for the rest of us and less time on the gameplay. After all, whats the point of gameplay if we can't even play the game. They have several days left to go. Just be patient and wait. Personally, I probably won't stay or pay off the rest of my pre order and just get my money back if this FPS problem can't get resolved by the end of the head start program or at the least within the first week of release. Real shame to. I really like the game. I just wish that I run around and not constantly run into walls because the game skips a dozen frames and I never see the wall getting closer.

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Thx for the headsup but i dont have it on, anybody tried standing at a crowded place and turned off the UI?
Im sure the game still wont run with stable fps but when i turn it off my frames just go up.

http://www.teddy.cistron.nl/uion.jpg <---31 fps

http://www.teddy.cistron.nl/uioff.jpg <----53 fps

Now there alot of things you have to think of like standing in a crowded place or whatnot but you can't tell me this is good.

This is the fps increase i expect when i lower my freakin resolution, not my UI!!:)

Wow that's a heavy hit for displaying the UI :eek:

But the second picture (no UI) also appears to have a fog limiting the display distance too. A yellowish glow, see it?

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Iv tried everything now, updated drivers, read all kinds of optimization threads, defrag etc etc. Still horrible fps with EVERYTHING on lowest possible..

I have the following spec:

Dell laptop with:
2.4 dual core
Vista 32
4 gig ram
gforce 8600 gt 256 memory

I can go about my business with 60 fps for a few minutes, then moments later we are talking 5-10 tops fps for the rest of the session. Its not related to area, or number of players i meet or anything. This low fps can occure while standing still. What on earth is going on? I cant believe its supposed to run this bad with my rig. Sure its not high end but still should be able to play fluently enough, especially with everything on low. In fact im hoping i can play on higher setting with 20+ fps !

I think i had one session lasting 1 hour with 60 fps and I was super happy, however 80% of the time im sitting at 4-10 fps. Anyone else experienced this? Its not necc lag related becuase i do not get too bad rubber band effect lately, but what can it be?

I can run other games fine with decent detail and good fps, I dont think its something wrong with my hardware either. hmm..

Hope someone have something insightful info or similar experience !

Cheers
Avantor

I have that exact same computer, your video card is an 8600m gt, regular nvidia drivers don't work so well you need to go to laptopvideo2go and get the modded inf's for laptops. I tried about 7 different drivers before my game became playable, get the 185.85's here http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/24003-forceware-185-85/
make sure you uninstall from your control panel, reboot, run driver sweeper/cleaner, install drivers, reboot.
turn ON vsync and triple buffering. you might want to try turning off threaded optimization if that doesnt work, these options are in the nvidia control panel and are also in game use the control panel first.

these are the only drivers that actually improved the game drastically so I am not lagging in millenium city anymore, and like I said I have that EXACT system.

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If your running with 3 gb of memory, it will hamper the video cards performance

a card of that caliber requires 2 gb of system memory alone just to operate correctly if your running a 32 bit os you'll need to upgrade to 64 bit and get more ram, 4 - 5 gb at least, running with 16 gb memory presently and using about 9.8 >.<

Sorry to necro this thread but this post made me laugh out loud. You're so totally off on this it's pretty spectacular.

The amount of RAM on your system is irrelevant unless you're on a laptop using an integrated video card. GTX295 =/= integrated. So your system RAM has nothing to do with the graphics card.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_295_us.html

And even then integrated cards come with base RAM themselves, the system RAM is just a bonus on top. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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But 8600 gt isnt that bad is it? Well sure i wont be near good fps with full settings but lowest of the low? Hmmm

Iv tried to monitor heat of my graphic card and its not too warm whent he fps hit occurs, I even tried overclocking it, increased the fps in good period, still down to 5-10 fps bad period. Dont get why I had one full day of 60 fps, while mostly i see 10 fps (and its not area related either hmm).

Does bad fps equal problems on my behalf only? Can it be something else? Like for some reason not too optimized for the 8600 series gforce or something similar? (as in it can be improved if cryptic optimize some stuff?)

Regarding resolution, I tried all kinds of resolution ingame and it only changed my fps during good periods, the bad period always result in a below 10 fps for some odd reason :\

Cheers!

Thx for all info so far!

Avantor

Not to dishearten you or anything but the 8600gt is about 5 years behind the 280GTX and the 280Gtx is having issues running this game max with >60fps.

To be honest this game has a MEAN memory leak and if you don't have a lot of memory you are going to see it rear its ugly head sooner rather than later in gameplay.

I swing from >60fps starting to an hour later having <30fps on a custom gaming rig using a 275gtx. The optimization in this game (like many mmos at launch) is **** poor plus you CPU is getting hammered by all the special effects. I am running a E8400 @ 3.6ghz and its being obliterated by all of the particle effects.

IMO, until this game gets out of beta (cough) you will not see much improvement.

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Laptops are crap for gaming. Seriously. Even a current mid-line gaming tower will blow your setup away. 8600 laptop video? That's....very old and low-end if it were in a tower. I'm sure your laptop is fine for old games like WoW, but....ouch for new games.

Laptops are made for portability and battery life, NOT for gaming power.

Er, only running a 8700 card in a laptop here, I can run most games at very high settings.




-np