Due to the respec issues, please refund ALL our powerpoints when its fixed.

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So in open beta we saw this was possible. When they changed the XP curve the second time, everyone went from level 40 to level 39, and as a result ALL of our power points got refunded.

Since we're in live now, and essentially unable to respec (at level 20 its over 2 gold to respec the first skill, btw) due to an issue that was known about in beta, I don't see why we shouldn't have the same thing happen again.

Many of us are not that low of level anymore. Telling us to "reroll" isn't going to happen.

So when the respec costs do get fixed, and I so, so hope that will be before the first... Refund everyone their power points and lets all just move on to something else.

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So in open beta we saw this was possible. When they changed the XP curve the second time, everyone went from level 40 to level 39, and as a result ALL of our power points got refunded.

Since we're in live now, and essentially unable to respec (at level 20 its over 2 gold to respec the first skill, btw) due to an issue that was known about in beta, I don't see why we shouldn't have the same thing happen again.

Many of us are not that low of level anymore. Telling us to "reroll" isn't going to happen.

So when the respec costs do get fixed, and I so, so hope that will be before the first... Refund everyone their power points and lets all just move on to something else.

you should repost this down in the Suggestion Box forum, it belongs there not here.

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I disagree. This is not a suggestion about how to change the game. It's how cryptic can fix this launch-time mess. Of which I have a fair amount of faith they will given beta.

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Since when are the suggestion forums actually looked at on a MMO forum? :P

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Why is it assumed these days that you deserve to respec anyway? Back in the day, and by that I mean most games that aren't WoW, when given a choice, you weighed your options, made a decision and you were stuck with it.

That you have the powerhouse to test out every little change that you make in a static environment isn't enough for you to figure out what you want to do with your character?

And, for that matter, why aren't you using ChampionBuilder?

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Why is it assumed these days that you deserve to respec anyway? Back in the day, and by that I mean most games that aren't WoW, when given a choice, you weighed your options, made a decision and you were stuck with it.

That you have the powerhouse to test out every little change that you make in a static environment isn't enough for you to figure out what you want to do with your character?

And, for that matter, why aren't you using ChampionBuilder?

I think he wants to respec out of his first power choice and grab another T1 power instead of the other T0 power he was forced into getting.

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I think he wants to respec out of his first power choice and grab another T1 power instead of the other T0 power he was forced into getting.

In addition to that, the powerhouse is not the entire story. You can only test out so much, especially when nothing attacks you except duels - which are a horrible way to test powers except for the simplest exceptions. Also, you have no idea how certain powers work in combination until you get higher level and can pick up a couple others.


This game is marketed as being customizable to a VERY high degree, that alone justifies the ability to respec above all others.

In regards to champion builder, when it's up to date with every skill change they make the moment they make it and allows me to simulate real combat, then I'll consider that it was even brought it up.

Anyone trying to make a build without actually testing out the powers in combination, is going to be in for a very rude awakening. As an example, consider all the TK ego blade builds people are using. They're WORTHLESS in most of the arena games I've been in because it seems like everyone is force with flying - and thus its impossible to get in range to do anything unless you happened to pick up a knock to ability and can get close enough.


Players need the ability to adapt their playstyle to the situation and not be locked in for the entire life of their character. And that's exactly what's being forced upon us at the moment with the bugged respec costs.

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It'd be nice to get confirmation on if they plan to do this or not... Because if not I know a bunch of people who won't even bother to play until the issue is fixed.

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Why is it assumed these days that you deserve to respec anyway? Back in the day, and by that I mean most games that aren't WoW, when given a choice, you weighed your options, made a decision and you were stuck with it.

That you have the powerhouse to test out every little change that you make in a static environment isn't enough for you to figure out what you want to do with your character?

And, for that matter, why aren't you using ChampionBuilder?

Back in the day? That's back in '97 when Ultima Online came out where you could change every single skill you had with some time and training. Grandmaster Swordsman / Archer one day to Grandmaster Mage in a week or two.
SWG, to take a more recent MMO, allowed you to remove a skilltree and work on something else if you grew tired of it.
I believe Final Fantasy also allowed you to remove or atleast change jobs, or get more jobs. I never played it for longer than an hour at a friends'.

I don't really get what you mean when you say back in the day, perhaps you're talking about Diablo 1 where alot of sites had cookiecutter builds and templates that goverened where you placed your precious skillpoints every level to not "gimp" your character? No idea what was fun but what was effective.
Not that the game was terribly hard but who wanted to spend a month or more on a build that was less than what it could have been, even if it was a minor difference.

I'm not advocating free respecs, or retcons - but respecs available through missions, or retcons by paying resources at a sane cost. I like the current system of retconning the 10 last powers if you realize you're on the wrong track. It's supposed to be a fun timekiller, not a dayjob that involves excel-sheets and calculators, WWS-logs and the likes.

The good parts of respeccing or retconning is that you're allowed to experiment alot to see what's fun for you, not what someone else feels is needed for a character.

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I agree, we should definitely get a full respec within the next couple of days.

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I think so too, although I'm betting the next patch won't be till launch, since it's the weekend.

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I think so too, although I'm betting the next patch won't be till launch, since it's the weekend.

Haha.. I wonder if everyone at Cryptic will laugh at your statement today.

That is a good one.

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Why is it assumed these days that you deserve to respec anyway? Back in the day, and by that I mean most games that aren't WoW, when given a choice, you weighed your options, made a decision and you were stuck with it.

That you have the powerhouse to test out every little change that you make in a static environment isn't enough for you to figure out what you want to do with your character?

And, for that matter, why aren't you using ChampionBuilder?

This attitude has got to go. You know what, i used a champion builder. Guess what else, i tested out every single ability I was going to take. I never in a thousand years thought they would make changes to things that have been the same way for months the day before launch.

So, i go to respec when i figure out what i have done...guess what, i cant. So i go on, figuring ill just suck it up and live with it. Then i see that its a bug....by this point in lvl 16 and i can only go back 10 choices anyway.

So yeah, id like a respec for the last second changes, and the price screw up.

yeah, yeah, i should of read the stuff. but like i said, they changed fundamental things about the martial arts tree. Things that have been the same for as long as i was in CB. So i learned a lesson, never assume anything with this game. And no im not rerolling. A days worth of playtime is not trivial to me as i work....a lot.

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Full respec would be nice considering with the price now if you make a mistake there is no going back so a full respec would make up for it. Additionaly it's impossible to try out abilitys for PvE situations in te power house.

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Why is it assumed these days that you deserve to respec anyway? Back in the day, and by that I mean most games that aren't WoW, when given a choice, you weighed your options, made a decision and you were stuck with it.

That you have the powerhouse to test out every little change that you make in a static environment isn't enough for you to figure out what you want to do with your character?

And, for that matter, why aren't you using ChampionBuilder?

"Back in the day" you had only a few pre-set classes with static appearances, 2d graphics, and combat that consisted of "click and watch the character do 95% of the fighting for you while abstract numbers decide the winner."

Screw progress, am I right?!