TK Dex/Ego Build

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How does this look? I am planning on focusing on Dex, Ego, and End in that order. Does Ego Blast make sense in this build or would I be better served with something else? Looking for something that can do decent damage at range. Any abilities I should focus on more?

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Dr Gonzo: Level 40 Champion

Superstats:
Level 5: Super Dexterity
Level 13: Super Ego

Powers:
Level 1: Kinetic Dart -- Incisive Wit
Level 1: Ego Blast -- Mind Opener, Rank 2
Level 5: Ego Blade Frenzy -- Rank 2, Unnerving Rage
Level 5: Teleport -- Rank 2, Rank 3
Level 8: Regeneration -- Rank 2, Rank 3
Level 11: Force Shield -- Rank 2, Force Sheath
Level 14: Sonic Device -- Deafening Dissolution
Level 17: Ego Choke
Level 20: Ego Surge -- Rank 2, Rank 3
Level 23: Telekinetic Eruption
Level 26: Ego Blade Breach -- Rank 2, Rank 3
Level 29: Ego Storm -- Rank 2, Rank 3
Level 32: Telekinetic Maelstorm
Level 35: Shadow Form
Level 35: Acrobatics -- Versatility
Level 38: Telekinesis

Talents:
Level 1: Sureshot
Level 6: Agile
Level 9: Indomitable
Level 12: Shooter
Level 15: Accurate
Level 18: Daredevil
Level 21: Sniper Training

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I don't know about doing dex/ego with TK. To me if you want to do a dex/ego build you really need to take the Focus of the Unleashed Tempest passive to make the most out of it, which you simple can't do with TK. If you don't take Ego Form as TK you may as well not even do TK. Which... after looking... you didn't take. You took Regen.

Plus in your build you're focusing mostly on the ranged abilities. Why not just go Telepathy instead and dabble in the TK ranged abilities?

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I don't know about doing dex/ego with TK. To me if you want to do a dex/ego build you really need to take the Focus of the Unleashed Tempest passive to make the most out of it, which you simple can't do with TK. If you don't take Ego Form as TK you may as well not even do TK. Which... after looking... you didn't take. You took Regen.

Plus in your build you're focusing mostly on the ranged abilities. Why not just go Telepathy instead and dabble in the TK ranged abilities?

He gets Id Blades from Incisive Wit. Ego form isn't good and isn't required.

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He gets Id Blades from Incisive Wit. Ego form isn't good and isn't required.

Incisive Wit should never be used to proc Ego Blades. Ever. It's too inconsistent. It should be used as a damage buff and nothing more.

Why you think Ego Form isn't good is beyond me. Show me one other passive that substantially increases both OFFENSE and DEFENSE when the player sockets properly, in this case END and CON.

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Ego form is not even half as good as shadow form for a Ego blade build.

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Incisive Wit should never be used to proc Ego Blades. Ever. It's too inconsistent. It should be used as a damage buff and nothing more.

Why you think Ego Form isn't good is beyond me. Show me one other passive that substantially increases both OFFENSE and DEFENSE when the player sockets properly, in this case END and CON.

Whoa. Incisive wit has ID blades up almost all the time.

Shadow form when fully ranked gives 110% increased damage. That's to ALL ofl your paranormal damage, not just the blades (i.e. eruptions ect). Ego form only gives double blade damage, and anytime it overlaps with incisive wit, its wasted. Don't know why you would take ego form, unless you LOVE to have ID blades for that 10-20% that incisive wit fails you (and in which case you're just silly -- you can line up your rotation to when darts procs.

Even -without- dart proc, Shadow Form gives more damage boost than ego. With dart proc, shadow form has almost double the damage of ego (I.E. around 4x normal single blade damage).

Both shadow and ego have comparable defensive abilities, and I'm not sure someoen picks the offensive passive based on defense anyway (physical reduction vs paranormal reduction. wash in my mind)

Edit: To the poster above me: Ego form is probably, all in all, considering marginal proc downtime, about exactly half as good as shadow. :)

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Whoa. Incisive wit has ID blades up almost all the time.

*cough* What? Almost all the time? I think not. I've gone more than a few seconds (upwards of 6 to 8 seconds) of having no proc from it. That's an awful lot of time of waiting for it to proc so your DPS is maximized.

Shadow form when fully ranked gives 110% increased damage. That's to ALL ofl your paranormal damage, not just the blades (i.e. eruptions ect).

Ok this I'll give you. But fully ranked Ego Form is about the same (and I'll wager a little more for your melee attacks). PLUS you're more likely to run into physical damage as opposed to paranormal damage. And as far as I know, Shadow Form does NOT improve with stats as opposed to Ego Form's END and CON bonus.

Ego form only gives double blade damage, and anytime it overlaps with incisive wit, its wasted.

This is a point of contention. Many have argued that the bonus damage from Incisive Wit stacks with Ego Form.

Don't know why you would take ego form, unless you LOVE to have ID blades for that 10-20% that incisive wit fails you (and in which case you're just silly -- you can line up your rotation to when darts procs.

*cough* Already went over this. 20% proc rate with 10 sec uptime does not in any way shape or form contend with Ego Forms 100% uptime.

Even -without- dart proc, Shadow Form gives more damage boost than ego. With dart proc, shadow form has almost double the damage of ego (I.E. around 4x normal single blade damage).

I'd like to see the proof on this. Until then, I'll stick with the power in the same tree as the other powers.

Both shadow and ego have comparable defensive abilities, and I'm not sure someoen picks the offensive passive based on defense anyway (physical reduction vs paranormal reduction. wash in my mind)

Again, already went over this. There is far more physical damage in the game, in both PVP and PVE, than there is paranormal damage.

Edit: To the poster above me: Ego form is probably, all in all, considering marginal proc downtime, about exactly half as good as shadow. :)

And I would really like to see the proof on this. And even if that IS the case, I fully expect it to be "adjusted" along with so many other powers. The game is very new, and you can fully expect a lot of balance adjustments to be made over the next few weeks.

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Ego form isn't worth it. The damage from regular ego blades + shadow form is roughly equal, and higher with Ego Surge or wit procs.

The only way ego form will be higher damage than shadow for is if the damage scaling for endurance on ID blades is better than endurance on shadow form. Rank 3 shadow form is at least 75% extra damage. I don't recall it being higher, but my endurance isn't that great.

The physical damage component of ego form sucks. Take invuln or regen and switch builds depending on the circumstance.

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Incisive Wit should never be used to proc Ego Blades. Ever. It's too inconsistent. It should be used as a damage buff and nothing more.

Pretty much everybody who has ever posted about it disagrees with you.

Also, Shadow form looks much better than Ego form. Sadly you end up with the same terrible Ego Form graphic from the Wit proc.

If you want to stack CON then maybe Ego Forms defense is worth something, if you're not gong to stack CON it's not worth talking about.

As for every time you say '20% blah blah blah' you're just not correct. Every post who has come here has said the same thing, Wit is fine to keep Id Blades.

I'd murder a hobo to have dual ego blades as a graphical only option, and the ability to just get rid of the surge/form graphic. So bad...

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So can Dex?ego work for me or should I go Dex/End?

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DEX/EGO can work but with nothing like Killer Instict or that martial arts thing you will probably suffer on Energy. The benefit you want from EGO (bigger crits) can be pretty easily achieve via gear and a talent or two. It takes a huge pile of DEX to get high crit, but not much EGO to get good severity.

END is just too good for Shadow or Ego form.

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*cough* What? Almost all the time? I think not. I've gone more than a few seconds (upwards of 6 to 8 seconds) of having no proc from it. That's an awful lot of time of waiting for it to proc so your DPS is maximized.



Ok this I'll give you. But fully ranked Ego Form is about the same (and I'll wager a little more for your melee attacks). PLUS you're more likely to run into physical damage as opposed to paranormal damage. And as far as I know, Shadow Form does NOT improve with stats as opposed to Ego Form's END and CON bonus.



This is a point of contention. Many have argued that the bonus damage from Incisive Wit stacks with Ego Form.



*cough* Already went over this. 20% proc rate with 10 sec uptime does not in any way shape or form contend with Ego Forms 100% uptime.



I'd like to see the proof on this. Until then, I'll stick with the power in the same tree as the other powers.



Again, already went over this. There is far more physical damage in the game, in both PVP and PVE, than there is paranormal damage.



And I would really like to see the proof on this. And even if that IS the case, I fully expect it to be "adjusted" along with so many other powers. The game is very new, and you can fully expect a lot of balance adjustments to be made over the next few weeks.

Sigh... don't know what to say.

You radically underestimate incisive wit uptime. Its sooooo simply to line up EBF with ID blades from wit. I tested this extensively in OB --- shadow form gives a bit less than 4x normal damage (ID Blades x Shadow bonus). Ego Form gives a bit less than 2x normal damage (it improves all ego blade attacks, and nothing else).

Incisive wit and ego form stack??? This is a "point of contention"??? Wrong. Many have "argued" it? You mean typed it on the internets? Incisive wit gives some small % bonus in addition to ID blades. This stacks. However you don't get Double Double ID blades with ego form and incisive wit. the ID blade overlap does not stack and is wasted. TEST this yourself. I repeat, you do -not- get 4x id blades. You do -not- get 4x damage from 2 id blades (note that this is precisely what shadow form gives). You don't need to parse numbers to see the extreme differences (as I said, shadow form DOUBLES your damage vs EGO form).

This topic was largely beaten to death in OB forums...I'll try to dig up archive links. As has been pointed out, just about everyone who has tested this disagrees with you.

Ranking up EGO form doesn't improve ID blade damage I don't believe. ID blade damage scales from END, and SO does the ID blade damage from incisive wit. Therefore you are better off ranking shadow form.

As for the defensive bonus -- i still say its a wash. PVE prob a bit mroe physical, but who cares, both bonuses are pretty suck, especially relative to their offesnive bonuses. In PVP you are likely wrong, aside from archery, you are more likely to hit paranormal / darkness than physical. And why would you choose a suck offensive passive because of some marginal defensive boost?

You argument finally collapses down to the fact that you are 1) waiting for a buff and 2) choosing a power simply b/c its in the framework as your other powers. Well, then good luck. Perhaps you'll get it the buff. Perhaps not. I can't IMAGINE that anyone has developed a "concept" that includes the ****ty Ego Form graphics but rejects shadow form. Both forms would likely fit concepts of a "psyionic blade" type hero.

You seem to want EGO blades 100% of the time, no matter what, ever, even its worse. If thats the case, then you should likely go ahead and take ego form and suffer the damage loss. I get it that you sometimes have uptime problems right at the pull on a bunch of henchmen, but with shadow form, you should just EBF anyway. I never have uptime problems on super villan or even master villain fights. EGO surger is also a clicky that can give you that uptime you need right at the begining of long / important fights. And I repeat -- even with ID blades DOWN (i.e. no proc), shadow form has increased your damage MORE than ego form (+110% vs +100%).

You also never have uptime problems in PVP, because you spend so much time chasing and whatnot, that as you close distance, it always procs.

EDIT: OdinTGE has links to archived ego form posts in his sig.