FORCE powerset help please - 0% Crit? Why bother with EGO?

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Ok I'm level 13, have 73% Crit severity but 0% Crit chance... I cannot crit?

I've been focusing a lot on the EGO stat but I guess that's pointless? I thought it seemed important... what am I doing wrong / what should I be focusing on with FORCE? :confused:

I was told only those with high DEX can cause critical damage... so what's the point of it for FORCE...

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Ok I'm level 13, have 73% Crit severity but 0% Crit chance... I cannot crit?

I've been focusing a lot on the EGO stat but I guess that's pointless? I thought it seemed important... what am I doing wrong / what should I be focusing on with FORCE? :confused:

Nothing. You were supposed to stack Dexterity along with Ego because it is Dexterity that inreases your Crit chance.

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Nothing. You were supposed to stack Dexterity along with Ego because it is Dexterity that inreases your Crit chance.

I thought I was supposed to stack EGO/END for energy max/rate

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I thought I was supposed to stack EGO/END for energy max/rate

Ego affects only crit severity, and chance to get out of intangible holds faster.

For energy max/recovery rate you are supposed to stack Endurance and Recovery, or Endurance and Intelligence if you are going for the cost/power ratio.

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nevermind what i was saying, i remembered some inf and it ment something else all together

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The reason that's the recommended stat package (EGO/END) is because that's what Personal Force Field scales with. If you don't use that don't worry about EGO (unless as said you also plan to stack dex).

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Ego affects only crit severity, and chance to get out of intangible holds faster.

For energy max/rate you are supposed to stack Endurance and Recovery.

Thanks hound... so would you say Ego is kind of pointless unless I pair it with Dexterity?

I'm just trying to figure out what the best things for me to focus on are with the FOCUS powerset...

Thanks again.

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Thanks hound... so would you say Ego is kind of pointless unless I pair it with Dexterity?

I'm just trying to figure out what the best things for me to focus on are with the FOCUS powerset...

Thanks again.

Not entirely. As it was mentioned above, your defensive power (Personal Force Field) also scales with Ego. It is one of the few exceptions to the general rule: most other powers do not rely on any particular stat.

Remember that your damage scales with whatever Super Stats you have, and just grab some Dexterity items (and talents!) for at least some crit chance. If you do, and use Personal Force Field, you will do fine with Endurance and Ego as your Superstats.

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Not entirely. As it was mentioned above, your defensive power (Personal Force Field) also scales with Ego. It is one of the few exceptions to the general rule: most other powers do not rely on any particular stat.

Remember that your damage scales with whatever Super Stats you have, and just grab some Dexterity items (and talents!) for at least some crit chance. If you do, and use Personal Force Field, you will do fine with Endurance and Ego as your Superstats.

Hound you're awesome for all this.

Would you say END/REC is a better bet for me while taking some DEX based items and talents then? Thankfully I've only taken END thus far...

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Hound you're awesome for all this.

Would you say END/REC is a better bet for me while taking some DEX based items and talents then? Thankfully I've only taken END thus far...

Thank you.

As for your question, this is where things get tricky: it is largely a matter of personal preference. You will need Endurance, because Force power set is a real endurance hog: some powers are so costly you won't even be able to use them if your Endurance is below average.

Recovery will help you keep your energy up out of combat: it is the stat for people who like to open the fight with a bang by dropping their strongest power at the enemies immediately. If you are okay with blasting your foes several times before bringing out the big gun, drop Recovery.

You won't need high Constitution, because you will be using Ego instead: the enemies will have to break through your force field before they can get to you, anyway, and the field's hitpoints are derived from Ego.

I still say that Endurance/Ego as Superstats with Dexterity as your non-Super stat focus will do fine, but of course this is my personal opinion.

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actually, if you stack END and EGO, you can be almost invencible... at least in pvp :p

the amount of damage your PFF absorb scale with END and the regen speed of the shield "life" scale with EGO

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actually, if you stack END and EGO, you can be almost invencible... at least in pvp :p

the amount of damage your PFF absorb scale with END and the regen speed of the shield "life" scale with EGO

I stand corrected, though my advice is still valid. :cool:

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actually, if you stack END and EGO, you can be almost invencible... at least in pvp :p

the amount of damage your PFF absorb scale with END and the regen speed of the shield "life" scale with EGO

Hmm, did they improve PFF at some point? When I tried it I was fairly unimpressed.

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I stand corrected, though my advice is still valid. :cool:

haha yeah i wasnt trying to correct anything you said... i was just clarifying what they are for

Hmm, did they improve PFF at some point? When I tried it I was fairly unimpressed.

at lvl 40 with sucky lvl 10~30 equips no one could break my shield... i had ego and end as my superstats.. my shield absorbed up to 6k+ damage and recovered really fast.. if someone managed to break it somehow i still had field surge wich completly recovers the pff

of course, i didnt stand still and with high ego you can easily get out of holds and since most of force spells have a KB effect, you dont receive much damage at all

i can only imagine how it would be with lvl 40 equips :x

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Hmm, did they improve PFF at some point? When I tried it I was fairly unimpressed.

Superstat ego/end, stack those two exclusively (putting in dex and rec wherever you can't find ego/end) , make sure to max rank pff and take field surge!

It will take a while for your shield to drop, and field surge will cover you.

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Superstat ego/end, stack those two exclusively (putting in dex and rec wherever you can't find ego/end) , make sure to max rank pff and take field surge!

It will take a while for your shield to drop, and field surge will cover you.

And don't forget the 3pt advantage on the Force energy bulider which seems to proc another shield on top of the PFF that also has to be burned through...

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your character is gimped, respec into DEX


oh wait you cant lol

reroll time!

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And don't forget the 3pt advantage on the Force energy bulider which seems to proc another shield on top of the PFF that also has to be burned through...

Yeah, I take the proc off the END builder. I didn't test PFF when I autoleveld to 40 (I was already locked into a superstat other than END/EGO by that point) but it didn't feel so hot at low levels, even speccing recommended.

Thanks for the info though, I'll give it another looksee this time around :) Appreciate the numbers you threw out!

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And don't forget the 3pt advantage on the Force energy bulider which seems to proc another shield on top of the PFF that also has to be burned through...

My testing with this showed that while it wasn't bad per se....There's other places I could spend 3 points.If I had them to spare I'd take it; only then.

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And don't forget the 3pt advantage on the Force energy bulider which seems to proc another shield on top of the PFF that also has to be burned through...

actually that thing is not a shield... it just enable you to cast your spells without energy cost

like force cascade... since i had low lvl equips, i didnt have enough energy to full charge it, but when that shield proc'ed i could full charge it

stil, it's a very good advantage to have

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actually that thing is not a shield... it just enable you to cast your spells without energy cost

Actually, that thing is a shield:

Energy Refraction
Your Force Bolt attacks have a chance to create as shield around you which lasts a few seconds and absorbs a modest amount of damage. This shield counts as an Energy Form.

But yeah, it does reduce the cost of Force Cascade whose cost is reduced by expending an energy form you have going, but it is a very weak short term force field that can take a hit or two for you too.

Personally I swapped between doing both when doing UNITY missions during the beta. If it activated at the start of a fight I'd blow it on Force Cascade, if it got it near the end of a fight I'd keep it because I had no idea where my PFF would be at.

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Actually, that thing is a shield:

Energy Refraction
Your Force Bolt attacks have a chance to create as shield around you which lasts a few seconds and absorbs a modest amount of damage. This shield counts as an Energy Form.

But yeah, it does reduce the cost of Force Cascade whose cost is reduced by expending an energy form you have going, but it is a very weak short term force field that can take a hit or two for you too.

Personally I swapped between doing both when doing UNITY missions during the beta. If it activated at the start of a fight I'd blow it on Force Cascade, if it got it near the end of a fight I'd keep it because I had no idea where my PFF would be at.

oh, sorry, i didn't know that, my bad...

but that thing would only go away after i cast force cascade, so i never thought that it actually absorbed damage too :x

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oh, sorry, i didn't know that, my bad...

but that thing would only go away after i cast force cascade, so i never thought that it actually absorbed damage too :x

It is possible, that it may stick around even after it's absorbed all the damage it can simply to serve as an energy form to be expended.

Maybe someone else knows for certain, as it might be possible to tell just by timing it and seeing if it disappears more quickly some times than others. Never quite been curious enough to figure that out.

Actually, I am curious (going back to the original questoin about stats for Force) to know whether it provides a fixed amount of damage absorption or if it scales upwards with END / EGO similar to how PFF does.

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I don't fully understand Ego's benefits to PFF.

Is there any visual notification when your PFF is depleted and you need to use surge?

I've been testing but I could only see (at lvl 9) that I was taking 1dmg per hit, and when I assume it depleted I took 30 or more...

Endurance increases the damage per hit absorbed, right? And Ego the regen time of the shield?
Is there any way to increase the amount of hp that it can absorb?

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Endurance increases the damage per hit absorbed, right? And Ego the regen time of the shield?
Is there any way to increase the amount of hp that it can absorb?

That's what Endurance does afaik.

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I made END, EGO and DEX my main stats to focus on and was very impressed with my very first character who has mainly force powers. If you do focus on those 3 you will have lots of crits, do very good damage and your PFF will be very strong.

Since it is my first and only character so far I am curious if there are stats that increase the KB chance of the force powers. I see STR has some bonuses for KB but I wasn't sure if it effected the force powers' KB.

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I made END, EGO and DEX my main stats to focus on and was very impressed with my very first character who has mainly force powers. If you do focus on those 3 you will have lots of crits, do very good damage and your PFF will be very strong.

Since it is my first and only character so far I am curious if there are stats that increase the KB chance of the force powers. I see STR has some bonuses for KB but I wasn't sure if it effected the force powers' KB.

Also curious about this myself.

Also as a force user, what is a good heal to take?

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The nanite heal from gadgets is a great heal to take, especially with PFF. If you're low on health, pop field surge, use your nanite heal, and all incoming damage stops, but the attacks themselves will heal you for around 2500+ Not bad eh?

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My main is dex/end and I'm going with PFF and Field surge. Due to lack of Ego helping the field regen itself I also take either resurgance or the timed defense buff from power armour set.

I'd imagine end/ego would have one hell of a sheild as with just field surge and end I was a tough nut to crack in the last of open beta.

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That's what Endurance does afaik.

Yeah yer right I think.

The descrip for PFF itself is misleading but if you look....each time you increase your END the actual total hp of the shield goes up.

End for more shield HP in total.
Ego for more shield Regen over time.

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I still say that Endurance/Ego as Superstats with Dexterity as your non-Super stat focus will do fine, but of course this is my personal opinion.

This is basically what I'm doing on my Force/TK character. I'm not getting crazy with the DEX, but enough to put my crit rate at around 7-15%. As I get closer to 40 and the stats on gear start spiking, then I might try and push it to 20-30%.

A high EGO/END + Force Surge will give you some crazy survivability on your PFF so, CON really isn't that necessary, though I wouldn't avoid it all together, especially if you PvP. I've also found that STR isn't very useful either. Pretty much all the force powers that are going to knockback, knockback fine with low-medium str. Really the only reason I'll pickup something with STR is if there's another stat on it I want.

Recovery I treat about the same as STR, I'll take it if ithere is something else with it that I want but otherwise I ignore it. I do have one slot on my equipment I try to make sure keeps Recovery though. This is more to just keep my equilibrium point a little higher so I can get a little more out of my alpha strike while questing. Eventually I'll probably have two pieces of gear, the Rec for PvE and something with EGO/DEX/END for PvP.

Presence...yeah...does anyone use this stat?

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I disagree with a lot of what has been said by most posters this far. Im a force nut and have many varying builds. My favorite so far is Ego/Dex and Im never want for energy. Acc Metab on your most common attacks and smart blocking = more energy then you'll ever need. This goes for any build.

If all else fails Flashfire with whatever non slotted passive it is that gives energy for dot ticks = gobs and gobs of energy.

You don't have to have End to have PFF work wonders. High Ego Regens PFF quite well. Well enough that when I was testing out my healer build in OB I only had to pop field surge once all night.

The key is learning when to block. It really is.

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I still say that Endurance/Ego as Superstats with Dexterity as your non-Super stat focus will do fine, but of course this is my personal opinion.

A high EGO/END + Force Surge will give you some crazy survivability on your PFF so, CON really isn't that necessary, though I wouldn't avoid it all together, especially if you PvP. I've also found that STR isn't very useful either. Pretty much all the force powers that are going to knockback, knockback fine with low-medium str. Really the only reason I'll pickup something with STR is if there's another stat on it I want.

I found this to be true as well, I did extensive tests with Force, and found that the best Stats to Super are End/Ego

You should have End as your first Super, alot of force powers are tied to that stat, as well a PFF (Personal Force Field).

Then you should ahve Ego as your second super. This will allow you to get out of hold quicker, and it is also tied to PFF

Then you can work on Dex to get that crit chance up. You damage scales with you Super Stats, so you dont have to worry about that, and with high Ego you will have a nice crit rating.

Also, with high End & Ego, you PFF with be very hard to get through, and when it does run out, you just pop Field Surge, and it will recharge PFF


You will also do some VERY powerful damage with Force Cascade, if you have it at rank 3, and use Force Surge as the battery. This will recharge PFF as well, and if you have something like nanobyte swarm, Force Surge is only on a 30sec cool down.

How this help ::smile::