Jesus... Not allowed.

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Um, My buddy just got a message from Cryptic Support saying he must rename his character from "Jesus" because it ties to religeon. His name isn't "Jesus Christ" and Jesus is spanish name.... often pronounced "Hey-Zeus." If I can name my character Michael (even though there is an arch angel Michael) Than there is NO REASON for him to have to change his name. After what we paid to get in the game this is most ridiculous.

This is unacceptable. Next were gonna be told we can't have Xerxes... or Gandhi just because they are "Famous" names.

We are playing a video game, leave your Religion at home. If you don't like playing with a character named "Jesus" than you shouldn't be playing this game.

After paying $250 for this game I find it absurd to be told that we can't name a character what we wish (unless it's a copywritten name.)

Show me the copyright on Jesus...

That is all.

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-I think yer buddy should call his character 'Hey-Zeus'.

I chuckled there. Perhaps he hands out a card to the civilians after he saves them, fine print on the business card gives some sort of waiver and release that "I am not associated with religion in any way, nor do i know or am related to Mr. Christ".

Funny

Rattletrap

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Cryptic is anti-mexican?

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and what about Jezus... i think its still cool.

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Um, My buddy just got a message from Cryptic Support saying he must rename his character from "Jesus" because it ties to religeon. His name isn't "Jesus Christ" and Jesus is spanish name.... often pronounced "Hey-Zeus." If I can name my character Michael (even though there is an arch angel Michael) Than there is NO REASON for him to have to change his name. After what we paid to get in the game this is most ridiculous.

This is unacceptable. Next were gonna be told we can't have Xerxes... or Gandhi just because they are "Famous" names.

We are playing a video game, leave your Religion at home. If you don't like playing with a character named "Jesus" than you shouldn't be playing this game.

After paying $250 for this game I find it absurd to be told that we can't name a character what we wish (unless it's a copywritten name.)

Show me the copyright on Jesus...

That is all.

With any other name you feel is filtered unreasonably, have your buddy petition in-game with the character and the name he wants.

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Um, My buddy just got a message from Cryptic Support saying he must rename his character from "Jesus" because it ties to religeon. His name isn't "Jesus Christ" and Jesus is spanish name.... often pronounced "Hey-Zeus." If I can name my character Michael (even though there is an arch angel Michael) Than there is NO REASON for him to have to change his name. After what we paid to get in the game this is most ridiculous.



Right, it is a spanish name often pronounced "hey-zeus"
However.
If some crazy religous zealot looking for something to be offended about reads it, how do you think THEY'RE going to read it?

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I just spoke to Customer Service about this to find out what the deal is.

Basically, the name "Jesus" by itself is totally acceptable. What is not acceptable is a character who is named "Jesus" and also happens to look like the religious figure. THAT we will force a change upon.

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It's not about copyright. One of their naming rulees says that you can't make a character that looks like a religious symbol or use a religious name. The reason for this is so that people sensitive to religion don't get offended or whatever.

I'd petition a GM. As long as you don't make the character look like Jesus they might let you.

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haha religion cracks me up.

But seriously, Jesus is a pretty valid Spanish name :D

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I just spoke to Customer Service about this to find out what the deal is.

Basically, the name "Jesus" by itself is totally acceptable. What is not acceptable is a character who is named "Jesus" and also happens to look like the religious figure. THAT we will force a change upon.

Yeah what he said. :D

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Um, My buddy just got a message from Cryptic Support saying he must rename his character from "Jesus" because it ties to religeon. His name isn't "Jesus Christ" and Jesus is spanish name.... often pronounced "Hey-Zeus." If I can name my character Michael (even though there is an arch angel Michael) Than there is NO REASON for him to have to change his name. After what we paid to get in the game this is most ridiculous.

This is unacceptable. Next were gonna be told we can't have Xerxes... or Gandhi just because they are "Famous" names.

We are playing a video game, leave your Religion at home. If you don't like playing with a character named "Jesus" than you shouldn't be playing this game.

After paying $250 for this game I find it absurd to be told that we can't name a character what we wish (unless it's a copywritten name.)

Show me the copyright on Jesus...

That is all.

Give me a break with the sanctimonious BS you are spewing. Jesus is a direct religious reference and you know it.

As to the other names you pointed out. Yeah I hope the do restrict them. Nothing like some pre-pubescent twit running around being a total ass and being named Gandhi.

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Someone should make a character named Mohammed and when they try and make you change it, threaten to blow up their offices.

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and what about Jezus... i think its still cool.

Polish? xd

Jesus should be banned only if it doesn't have the apostrophe above U. This way Spanish people can make their Jesus Maria Rodriguez Fernando.

Still, it's way too abusable to offend people.

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I saw the guy, he looked like the bibical figure of christ, even had a halo.

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I saw a "Jesus" in OB and the character was in robes with beard and a halo who tried to be intentionally offensive. The unfortunate truth is that for every person that might actually be named "Jesus" or "Mohammed" or the like, you will have many less mature people that will try to use this to incite or upset others.

I also paid $250 for the game and I'm happy they prevent this nonsense before it starts.

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I just spoke to Customer Service about this to find out what the deal is.

Basically, the name "Jesus" by itself is totally acceptable. What is not acceptable is a character who is named "Jesus" and also happens to look like the religious figure. THAT we will force a change upon.

Funny thing about that is, what "Looks" to be a religious figure is entirely your opinion. IF he looks like jesus and names himself Messiah, whats the difference? None. Better yet, if he looks just like Jesus, and names himself John..... People will still say... wow he looks like Jesus.

So your only option is to restrict people from making biblical looking characters. Furthermore, I'm not religious and I take just as much or more offense by you limiting creativity than someone who is genuinely offended by a characters who looks and reads "Jesus."

This is a situation that is all subjective based upon each individuals personal beliefs.... and you step on beliefs not matter what action you take.

Thanks, for the headache on DAY ONE. He's only been named Jesus with the saved template for 2 weeks now. Could have been resolved before early access right?

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So is all religion banned?

Can I make a old guy with a beard named Jupiter with lightning powers?

Can I make a girl with archery named Artemis?

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I just spoke to Customer Service about this to find out what the deal is.

Basically, the name "Jesus" by itself is totally acceptable. What is not acceptable is a character who is named "Jesus" and also happens to look like the religious figure. THAT we will force a change upon.
awk damn it and there was me wanting to make the Pope - smiting evil with his holy rocket launcher :p

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So is all religion banned?

Can I make a old guy with a beard named Jupiter with lightning powers?

Can I make a girl with archery named Artemis?

Yes, because that's a dead religion. Use common sense.

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why waste a character slot trying to get attention. Next thing we'll here people trying to create a munitions guy named Mohammed.

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Thanks, for the headache on DAY ONE. He's only been named Jesus with the saved template for 2 weeks now. Could have been resolved before early access right?

Well at least they resolved it on day one for you :rolleyes:


I think it funny that your initial argument was that your "friend" is Spanish and actually named "Jesus" but then the facts come out (whether it is his real name or not) that he also chose to wear robes, a beard and a halo...

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I have to say, I'm more curious as to why you want to be "Jesus" rather than why the name is banned.

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why waste a character slot trying to get attention. Next thing we'll here people trying to create a munitions guy named Mohammed.

Why would you give it attention? It's not the people who makes names and characters like this that are the problem... it's the people who give a damn about something that has nothing to do with them that is the problem.

One more time, I'm not religious, I'm an Atheist... About 40% of Americans are Atheist's now too.... I'm not here to debate religion, I am here to prove that no matter how you handle a situation like that your stepping on someone's toes.

There is nothing Copywritten, so there should be no problem.

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I have to say, I'm more curious as to why you want to be "Jesus" rather than why the name is banned.

Cause he can walk on water and make any party great by turning water into whine? :eek:

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Um, My buddy just got a message from Cryptic Support saying he must rename his character from "Jesus" because it ties to religeon. His name isn't "Jesus Christ" and Jesus is spanish name.... often pronounced "Hey-Zeus." If I can name my character Michael (even though there is an arch angel Michael) Than there is NO REASON for him to have to change his name. After what we paid to get in the game this is most ridiculous.

This is unacceptable. Next were gonna be told we can't have Xerxes... or Gandhi just because they are "Famous" names.

We are playing a video game, leave your Religion at home. If you don't like playing with a character named "Jesus" than you shouldn't be playing this game.

After paying $250 for this game I find it absurd to be told that we can't name a character what we wish (unless it's a copywritten name.)

Show me the copyright on Jesus...

That is all.

Jesus is copyrighted by History!.

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Cause he can walk on water and make any party great by turning water into whine? :eek:

Kinda like this thread you can just come to the forums if you wanna see water turned to whine. ;)

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I have to say, I'm more curious as to why you want to be "Jesus" rather than why the name is banned.

Why not? Jesus is the Ultimate Super Hero. He never existed... nor could he have. It's all stories.... Jesus is no different than Iron Man, except that he was created to put fear into people back before technology could enforce law. Before radios walkie talkies and cops, the world ran on Morals..... and Morals only existed because we scared the daylights out of people telling them they would go to hell if they did wrong.

Jesus is awesome..... from a fictitious point a view. Jesus is just plain silly when taking as a reality.

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There is nothing Copywritten, so there should be no problem.

Except it's already in the Terms of Service you sign. So really, it's a mute point.

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Why would you give it attention? It's not the people who makes names and characters like this that are the problem... it's the people who give a damn about something that has nothing to do with them that is the problem.

Since this rename affected your "friend" and not you, I think you just made a great point for yourself :rolleyes:



PS. 40% of the U.S. is Atheist huh?

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I summon the Moderator to close this thread before it balloons into Armageddon:eek:!!

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Kinda like this thread you can just come to the forums if you wanna see water turned to whine. ;)

Haha this is the ultimate troll thread. Its hard to resist accually ;)

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once again censorship wins bah !
if its not copyrighted you have no business complaining if you see an offensive character switch channels (its that easy in this game)
hell Im more offended by things that are offensive in RL not your imaginary myth world.
Also you could make a mohammed character under the rules the have stated( since as far as I understand it mohammeds image could not be shown so how do you know what he looks like?
PS I applaude Cryptic on their approach however the actually check the character instead of just the name kinda nice and more then I would expect

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Another person who thinks buying a lifetime sub allows him to bend the rules and complain >.>

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PS I applaude Cryptic on their approach however the actually check the character instead of just the name kinda nice and more then I would expect


I agree. Was very impressed that they took in account both the name and context.

Personally, I don't think this is just a "religious" or even "censorship" argument. What if someone creates a character that is offensive based on race, sex or social tabu's? There is a line were one is doing this just to deliberately get attention and/or upset others.

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So is all religion banned?

Can I make a old guy with a beard named Jupiter with lightning powers?

Can I make a girl with archery named Artemis?

Yes, because this is not religion. This is mythology.

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I think it's funny that someone who is offended by irrelevent things is telling someone who isn't to "grow up". He has a legitimate complaint. It is an extremely common name in Latin countries, like John or Mike.

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It has less to do with people who are "sensitive to religion so they're not offended" and more to do with R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

You don't have to be sensitive to feel it's disrespectful to go around making characters mocking someone's God.
Part of TOLERANCE is respecting and honoring other people's beliefs; instead of mocking them like little children.

I'm a hardcore christian, and I thought it was funny that I saw a "Raptor Jesus" who was basically Jesus- but with a lizard head. But it was still disrespectful- regardless if it's funny. I don't care personally- and I'm not offended- but I also don't go around creating alternate versions of other people's beliefs (or lack of.)

Afterall... how many Scientists would be offended if I made "Gorilla Darwin" or "Lizard Einstein." Sure it would be hilarious. Funny. It certainly wouldn't be the end of the world. Ppl in general wouldn't care that much (except those sensitive to their personal heroes) But respecting "Heroes" of science is also nice every now and then.

Likewise... what if I made "Pedophile Michael." with a costume strikingly similar to Michael Jackson.
The same applies. It would be hilarious- most ppl wouldn't have a problem with it- but it's disrespectful.

Or perhaps someone making "RED OBAMA" which is a communist version of the US president Obama with a red communist symbol on his otherwise Presidential Suit and Tie. Once again- could be fun, funny, but is disrespectful.

My point is that everyone has their rolemodels, heroes, and those who are both dead or alive- and there are people who should be respected. Not because "some people are sensitive" but because it's not productive, positive, or profitable to society. You're making 30 people laugh... 60 people annoyed... 10 people furious... and the rest of the population thinking "I don't care... but you're an idiot."

You people need to get your heads out of your selfish butts and think of other people. MMORPG's are a society- and other people on the internet DO have feelings, beliefs, and personalities. It would be silly to cater to the minority who have unrealistic sensitivities- but it's only mature and tolerant to be respectful of things like religion, heroes, rolemodels, etc.

Fun is great- but NOT at the expense of others. Grow up and get over it.

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I think it's funny that someone who is offended by irrelevent things is telling someone who isn't to "grow up". He has a legitimate complaint. It is an extremely common name in Latin countries, like John or Mike.

I find it funny that someone who is such a troll is trolling my post...oh, wait...no, I don't.

I'm not offended and it's not a legitimate complaint.

People use the name Jesus to be offensive and abrasive in MMOs...period.

No, one makes a Hispanic Elf named Jesus nor do they make a Hispanic crime fighter named Jesus.

Thanks for the lesson on Latin Culture though because I never knew that despite living in highly Hispanic community.

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I just spoke to Customer Service about this to find out what the deal is.

Basically, the name "Jesus" by itself is totally acceptable. What is not acceptable is a character who is named "Jesus" and also happens to look like the religious figure. THAT we will force a change upon.

Sounds 100% reasonable.

Frankly, the fact that the name "Jesus" is even allowed is pretty generous of them.

Thanks for the update, Daeke.

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well I do see where your coming from I just will never agree with censorship and being and you shouldnt be respectful of things you dont respect its called lying
and I dont worship science so I really dont mind making fun of darwin

PS I had a roomate that worshiped a Norse god (for real I thought it was funny but dude seriously did it) also religion and cult have the EXACT same definition and and myth applies to all religions you dont believe Be real people

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I think it's funny that someone who is offended by irrelevent things is telling someone who isn't to "grow up". He has a legitimate complaint. It is an extremely common name in Latin countries, like John or Mike.

Thank you. And seriously.... christians would love to believe that America is a Christian Nation... but it's not. Even our own President said it's not. Our country is a mash up of beliefs. Christianity vs Budhism vs Catholocismn vs Scientology.... who is crazy?

And the terms of service..... says you can't make a biblical guy... The ToS impplies that "Jesus Christ" would be Invalid. A guy who has the Name jesus who just happens to look a little similar does not violate the ToS.

GM Varnus told me the only reason it was enforced was because people complained. So here I am complaining back with reason as to why it's Unfair and I'm getting told to Grow up? The people who need to Grow Up are the people who reported "Jesus" as offensive..... plain and simple.

/Oh my god it's Jesus, now I must slit my wrists or stop playing this blasphemous game.

Those people should be put on ignore by the Dev Team. It's not their responsibility to play Daddy.

/Rest.

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He has a legitimate complaint. It is an extremely common name in Latin countries, like John or Mike.


You either missed or ignored the part that Cryptic actually did not bane the name "Jesus" itself...just that it was being used in conjunction with a costume template that mimic the appearance. He could have either created 1) an avatar named Jesus dressed in 100 million different ways or 2) used his costume template with some other more discreet name like Almighty or something.


And FireAngel- I agree with your post 100%.

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I think it's funny that someone who is offended by irrelevent things is telling someone who isn't to "grow up". He has a legitimate complaint. It is an extremely common name in Latin countries, like John or Mike.

It's not a legitimate complaint.

It's childish to be upset over something that is easily understandable.

If you don't understand WHY it's not allowed- maybe you should take a class on tolerance and respect. Then you will understand, "Oh, well I can see why they don't allow it. Even though I disagree, it's not a big deal and it's not worth getting upset over."

Obviously this guy has more than just a beef to fight about a spanish name. I severely doubt he is in favor of respect and tolerance of the person and deity of Jesus.

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Or perhaps someone making "RED OBAMA" which is a communist version of the US president Obama with a red communist symbol on his otherwise Presidential Suit and Tie. Once again- could be fun, funny, but is disrespectful.

Not that I would ever want to do such a thing, but on a side note: there is no Hammer-and-Sickle design in Champions Online.

Which is a darn shame, because it was avaliable in City of X.

P. S. I am Russian. :cool:

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I'm a hardcore christian, and I thought it was funny that I saw a "Raptor Jesus" who was basically Jesus- but with a lizard head. But it was still disrespectful- regardless if it's funny. I don't care personally- and I'm not offended- but I also don't go around creating alternate versions of other people's beliefs (or lack of.)


I dont think "Atheist-Man" would pack as much of a punch as Jesus xD Since atheists pretty much dont care :D
I do get your point though, I suppose. But being an atheist myself I dont really see what the fuzz is about. Well i see what its about i just dont get why anyone would care what other people think. Believe/Do what you want and stop caring about what other people think of you. Like I'm a grown man who enjoys cartoons. Im sure someone looks down on me but why should I care if im enjoying myself? ;)

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Except it's already in the Terms of Service you sign. So really, it's a mute point.

Moot damn it! Moot!

It's just the way it is in the States. Religious wack jobs make it their job to be offended.

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Why would you give it attention? It's not the people who makes names and characters like this that are the problem... it's the people who give a damn about something that has nothing to do with them that is the problem.

One more time, I'm not religious, I'm an Atheist... About 40% of Americans are Atheist's now too.... I'm not here to debate religion, I am here to prove that no matter how you handle a situation like that your stepping on someone's toes.

There is nothing Copywritten, so there should be no problem.

Humm? Your obviously being a hypocrite here. You believe that naming your character and dressing him like Jesus takes precedence over someone elses belief that you shouldn't. Yet you also say beliefs shouldn't enter into it, all the while proving your point on that same basis. Guffaw. Your out of your element.

Also, in the interest of truth, try 1.6%.
http://religions.pewforum.org/reports

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Those people should be put on ignore by the Dev Team. It's not their responsibility to play Daddy.

/Rest.

Good thing the GMs generally aren't the Developers.

It basically is the GMs' responsibility to play Daddy. They have to enforce the rules.

And the terms of service..... says you can't make a biblical guy... The ToS impplies that "Jesus Christ" would be Invalid. A guy who has the Name jesus who just happens to look a little similar does not violate the ToS.

http://champions-online.com/support/policies/costume

You may not...
# Incorporate the name or image of a religious figure or deity
# Incorporate any form religious title (i.e. "The Lord", "Rabbi")

You did both all in one go.

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I dont think "Atheist-Man" would pack as much of a punch as Jesus xD Since atheists pretty much dont care :D
I do get your point though, I suppose. But being an atheist myself I dont really see what the fuzz is about. Well i see what its about i just dont get why anyone would care what other people think. Believe/Do what you want and stop caring about what other people think of you. Like I'm a grown man who enjoys cartoons. Im sure someone looks down on me but why should I care if im enjoying myself? ;)

Yea, anime is where it's at!! :D

Oh, and Marvin the Martian was awsome too. :p

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Yes, because this is not religion. This is mythology.

One's religion could be considered a myth to another. See the Flying Spaghetti Monster in wiki for reference.

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how about I say i am offended by it, and you can blame it on me then?
(yes i am Cristian)

/end of discussion

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Wait, so having the name Jesus is fine, but having the name and making a toon that looks like Jesus is not?

OK, am I the only one wondering? Religious issues aside, if Jesus existed, how exactly do you know what he looked like? Inquiring minds want to know!

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lol all thats a BS poll just like the last one they can be very easily made to get the results you want
sry about the over posting Iam easily trolled about things Im passionate about(and enjoy these debates which PC really makes almost impossible everything is ++ungood

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Wait, so having the name Jesus is fine, but having the name and making a toon that looks like Jesus is not?

OK, am I the only one wondering? Religious issues aside, if Jesus existed, how exactly do you know what he looked like? Inquiring minds want to know!

There's a pretty generally accepted image of what Jesus looks like.

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Oh my God, it's Jesus!! (http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd8/AbelNightroad_2007/?action=view&current=screenshot_2009-08-24-03-13-53.jpg)

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well I do see where your coming from I just will never agree with censorship and being and you shouldnt be respectful of things you dont respect its called lying
and I dont worship science so I really dont mind making fun of darwin

PS I had a roomate that worshiped a Norse god (for real I thought it was funny but dude seriously did it) also religion and cult have the EXACT same definition and and myth applies to all religions you dont believe Be real people

1) There is a difference between censorship and respect & tolerance.

2) There is a difference between censorship & freedom of speech and a private community source saying "No, that's just immature. We want to show our audience we're mature and tolerant. We are adults. We don't want this to be associated with our image as a corporation."

3) If you don't understand why the devs want to censor disrespectful things- you need to read a book on TOLERANCE. Only an intolerant, or young, person would not understand this simple social construct.


For example:

Having the freedom to say on national tv "I think [insert race] are inferior to [insert your race]." isn't so much censored in america, as it is considered ignorant, immature, intolerant, and evil.
The KKK publicize racism all the time, and there are many groups who support it on radio, newspaper, and web. They are allowed to. And society doesn't so much censor them as much as they just ignore them and say "No, we won't let our image be tainted by this intolerance and disrespect."

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lol all thats a BS poll just like the last one they can be very easily made to get the results you want
sry about the over posting Iam easily trolled about things Im passionate about(and enjoy these debates which PC really makes almost impossible everything is ++ungood

Haha we should debate sometime! I love it myself. But I find people tend to be easily offended. Which in its own way is funny. But not always the effect im looking for xD

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Wait, so having the name Jesus is fine, but having the name and making a toon that looks like Jesus is not?

OK, am I the only one wondering? Religious issues aside, if Jesus existed, how exactly do you know what he looked like? Inquiring minds want to know!

If you really have to ask what the universal recognizable image of Christ is... I suggest going outside and spending less time on the internet. Or at the very least... use GOOGLE instead of DARK MARS CAVE.

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One's religion could be considered a myth to another. See the Flying Spaghetti Monster in wiki for reference.

I believe case in point referred to Ancient Greek mythology, not the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

May you be touched by his noodly appendage, brother. RAmen.

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Haha we should debate sometime! I love it myself. But I find people tend to be easily offended. Which in its own way is funny. But not always the effect im looking for xD

I certainly hope you realize how immature it is to find offending people funny.

Certainly, I offend people all the time. On other forums- I'm a notorious troll. I think it's hilarious.

But I admit wholeheartedly I'm an immature little child who doesn't wanna grow up :P

How about you?

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I certainly hope you realize how immature it is to find offending people funny.

Certainly, I offend people all the time. On other forums- I'm a notorious troll. I think it's hilarious.

But I admit wholeheartedly I'm an immature little child who doesn't wanna grow up :P

How about you?

Like i said earlier. Im a grown man who watch cartoons. And between you and me, i find poo pretty hilarious.
Yes I'm immature. But I do like debating with people who wont get offended by someone elses opinions. Especially if they are religious, Since its one of those things you can participate in or not without really hurting anyone ^_^

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lol all thats a BS poll just like the last one they can be very easily made to get the results you want
sry about the over posting Iam easily trolled about things Im passionate about(and enjoy these debates which PC really makes almost impossible everything is ++ungood

Oh? Then heres three more:

http://www.americanreligionsurvey-aris.org/

http://www.thearda.com/internationalData/countries/country_234_1.asp

http://religions.pewforum.org/maps

All of them confirm the first poll's findings. All good sources, unless you consider Harvard and Penn state bad sources. And If you do... Its obvious that you have the intelligence of a very small rodent. Perhaps even a bug.

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to fire angel he was actually saying (i believe ) that its funny when people get upset FROM debating (usually because they want to be right not discuss) not that it was his intent
Also those racist looking like idiots because of free speech is the entire point from my perspective ( and yes its stupid to make a character to offend people but its even stupider to try and stop them) tolerate free speech please it needs love too

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Like i said earlier. Im a grown man who watch cartoons. And between you and me, i find poo pretty hilarious.
Yes I'm immature. But I do like debating with people who wont get offended by someone elses opinions. Especially if they are religious, Since its one of those things you can participate in or not without really hurting anyone ^_^

Cool.

Well, as long as you admit it, I'm okay!

It would be rather childish of me to find it fun to troll, but think less of people who think it's funny when ppl get annoyed.

Afterall, I'm immature- not a teenager! :P

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LOL who do they get there grants from?? who are the companies owned by that give them the grants ??? just because its harvard (and its full of smart people) doesnt mean they wont lie to make money (not saying they are accurate or not just not trustworthy enough to believe with out hardcore investigation into the sources

I think I have to walk away for 10 or so before I start debating myself too

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So much for our Jesus of Nautilus and Pontius Pilates duo.

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Funny thing about that is, what "Looks" to be a religious figure is entirely your opinion. IF he looks like jesus and names himself Messiah, whats the difference? None. Better yet, if he looks just like Jesus, and names himself John..... People will still say... wow he looks like Jesus.

So your only option is to restrict people from making biblical looking characters. Furthermore, I'm not religious and I take just as much or more offense by you limiting creativity than someone who is genuinely offended by a characters who looks and reads "Jesus."

This is a situation that is all subjective based upon each individuals personal beliefs.... and you step on beliefs not matter what action you take.

Thanks, for the headache on DAY ONE. He's only been named Jesus with the saved template for 2 weeks now. Could have been resolved before early access right?

Is it necessary to be stupid about this?

Your friend new what he was doing. This is NOT something worth making an issue over.. Tell your friend to drink some creativity juice.

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Um, My buddy just got a message from Cryptic Support saying he must rename his character from "Jesus" because it ties to religeon. His name isn't "Jesus Christ" and Jesus is spanish name.... often pronounced "Hey-Zeus." If I can name my character Michael (even though there is an arch angel Michael) Than there is NO REASON for him to have to change his name. After what we paid to get in the game this is most ridiculous.

This is unacceptable. Next were gonna be told we can't have Xerxes... or Gandhi just because they are "Famous" names.

We are playing a video game, leave your Religion at home. If you don't like playing with a character named "Jesus" than you shouldn't be playing this game.

After paying $250 for this game I find it absurd to be told that we can't name a character what we wish (unless it's a copywritten name.)

Show me the copyright on Jesus...

That is all.


Uhhhh....Jesus in Spanish is the Jesus as it is in English. Its only pronounced differently. So, torpedo that idea. Secondly, I doubt theres many people that play this game that are mature enough to make a "Jesus" character and play him without being offensive. Judging by your post, your one of the ones who would not be able to.

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So much for our Jesus of Nautilus and Pontius Pilates duo.

I'm sure Captain Nemo had atleast one crewmember named Jesus ;)

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So your only option is to restrict people from making biblical looking characters. Furthermore, I'm not religious and I take just as much or more offense by you limiting creativity than someone who is genuinely offended by a characters who looks and reads "Jesus."

Not taking either side here, but I'd hardly consider it "creative" to name a character Jesus and then make him look like a fairly standard Western representation of Jesus. If this is the definition of creativity, then I suppose I'll go photocopy the Mona Lisa and sell it as my new painting, "Mona Lisa".

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LOL who do they get there grants from?? who are the companies owned by that give them the grants ??? just because its harvard (and its full of smart people) doesnt mean they wont lie to make money (not saying they are accurate or not just not trustworthy enough to believe with out hardcore investigation into the sources

I think I have to walk away for 10 or so before I start debating myself too

Alright, well you just answered my question. I withdraw all previous notions as there is no point reasoning with a brick wall. By your logic, all polls and research on cancer, aids, and down syndrome should similarly be dismissed because they couldn't POSSIBLY be doing it for pure knowledge. Obviously they just want to make money. Right?

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Like i said earlier. Im a grown man who watch cartoons. And between you and me, i find poo pretty hilarious.
Yes I'm immature. But I do like debating with people who wont get offended by someone elses opinions. Especially if they are religious, Since its one of those things you can participate in or not without really hurting anyone ^_^

I can pretty much garauntee I could make a toon that would offend you. All I would have to know is a little about you and blam. Secondly, do you find it that difficult to come up with something that wouldn't OBVIOUSLY offend someone. Note the emphasis on OBVIOUS.

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I cannot believe I stumbled upon such a trivial problem. Jesus? Really? You made the character "Jesus"? As much as I think that walking on water would be an awesome travel power, I highly doubt this was your intention. You've already been told that the name "Jesus" is acceptable, but the religious figure is not. I mean obviously, people who have beliefs related to Jesus Christ are going to be offended. And obviously people who do not have beliefs related to him are going to be offended. If someone is Hindu, wouldn't you think they'd be a little upset that you're playing as Jesus? And if someone is Christian or Jewish, wouldn't you think they'd be a little upset that you're bashing in zombie heads as Jesus? (Even though I see nothing wrong with Jesus bashing in zombie heads. He did, after all, go to hell in order to save humanity). Just drop it and get over it.

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I can pretty much garauntee I could make a toon that would offend you. All I would have to know is a little about you and blam. Secondly, do you find it that difficult to come up with something that wouldn't OBVIOUSLY offend someone. Note the emphasis on OBVIOUS.

Haha what do you want to know?

And I never made a Jesus toon or any other toon just to offend someone else.
I just cant for the life of me understand why religion is such a big deal. Why care what someone else believes? At the end of the day the one doing the praying or not doing the praying is you. it doesnt affect anyone else. And I very much doubt that Jesus or any other religois figure would care if someone in a game made a character looking like them. And if they do we wont know about it anyway.

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I had typed a long post on this then deleted it. You cant argue with the arrogant, self righteousness whose only feelings are for their own opinions.

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Alright, well you just answered my question. I withdraw all previous notions as there is no point reasoning with a brick wall. By your logic, all polls and research on cancer, aids, and down syndrome should similarly be dismissed because they couldn't POSSIBLY be doing it for pure knowledge. Obviously they just want to make money. Right?

alright I did come accross as a little absolute in the statement I just meant that I would personally want to check those things first(I dont think all polls are worthless just a little suspect) Not everyone is money hungery but some are. And yes companies do do these things (damn double--) GE owns nbc how does that affect their news?(just one example)

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Yes, because that's a dead religion. Use common sense.

Heh. So You are a greak/roman atheist.

When I use common sense, I am a greak/roman/jewish/christian/(insert name of known religion) atheist.

What in any logical manner makes one religion more "alive" than another? The number of delude followers?

If thats the penny used to pay - then the all mighty religion of sitcoms would be the only truly alive religion. ;)

Kind of fun thought that. A priest of "Friends". Heh.

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I personally think cryptic handled this well, and fact is if you named your character John, I don't think they would have a problem with it even if he did still look the same.

On only the slightest related note, was this jesus white? cuz everyone knows that if Jesus was real (historically he was real, wether he was magical or just a normal but highly popular cult leader is the question) he HAD to be white, lots of white people back in the day in nazarath (or however it's spelled)

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I cannot believe I stumbled upon such a trivial problem. Jesus? Really? You made the character "Jesus"? What were your super powers, walking on water? As much as that would be an awesome travel power, I highly doubt it. You've already been told that the name "Jesus" is acceptable, but the religious figure is not. I mean obviously, people who have beliefs related to Jesus Christ are going to be offended. And obviously people who do not have beliefs related to him are going to be offended. If someone is Hindu, wouldn't you think they'd be a little upset that you're playing as Jesus? And if someone is Christian or Jewish, wouldn't you think they'd be a little upset that you're bashing zombie heads in as Jesus? (Even though I see nothing wrong with Jesus bashing in zombie heads. He did after all go to hell in order to save humanity). Just drop it and get over it.

Haha, I agree, but it's hard to resist responding to. If you people think that using the name and image of “Jesus” is offensive but you yourself create a “bimbo-type, half naked chick named “Cindy Floss” how many female players or any players for that matter do you think you’ve already offended? And yet I’ve seen hundreds of them…with no one blinking much of an eye except to ogle their computer screen. Anyways I don’t take much offense to anything I see (I watch Family Guy for goodness sakes) Just wanted to comment how silly this was. :rolleyes:

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Moot damn it! Moot!

It's just the way it is in the States. Religious wack jobs make it their job to be offended.


I'm not religious. I wanted to report the guy for being stupid and for trying to be an attention ***** but I didn't see that specific option under petition. ...I think I'll submit a suggestion that they add that specific verbiage ASAP!

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One reason you couldnt have artemis would also be the fact theres(or was) a character in wonder woman with that name, probably a similar reason against ares since both DC and Marvel have a version of that god.

On another note my brother's hero is currently called GOD but im not sure he could be forced to change his name due to the fact nobody knows which god he is or if the god he's based on even exists :)

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You can't use "Jesus" because Jesus is playing the game and paying 15 bucks a month.

Jesus does save and combat evil.

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Call him "Jebus" :)

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I saw a character named Jesus while I was at a science table during the open beta run. His appearance was such that one could clearly see a reference to the religious figure of Jesus. I feel it was in good taste for Cryptic to not allow that.

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On only the slightest related note, was this jesus white? cuz everyone knows that if Jesus was real (historically he was real, wether he was magical or just a normal but highly popular cult leader is the question) he HAD to be white, lots of white people back in the day in nazarath (or however it's spelled)

Yeah, that is pretty silly. But there is an actual surviving letter from Pontius Pilot to a friend (before Jesus was crucified) that references Jesus...Pilot does talk about him being "fair" though I hardly think it'd be quite as fair as the iconic image of him suggests.

...and this is what you learn when you went to Catholic school from K-12. ._.

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Haha, I agree, but it's hard to resist responding to. If you people think that using the name and image of “Jesus” is offensive but you yourself create a “bimbo-type, half naked chick named “Cindy Floss” how many female players or any players for that matter do you think you’ve already offended? And yet I’ve seen hundreds of them…with no one blinking much of an eye except to ogle their computer screen. Anyways I don’t take much offense to anything I see (I watch Family Guy for goodness sakes) Just wanted to comment how silly this was. :rolleyes:

Personally, and I'm being honest here, I don't play female characters at all. But I will just say that playing characters that are the same gender as you in a third-person game is a little homosexual, don't you think? I mean you're staring at the @$$ of your own gender! And with that said, I'd like to point out that while I don't play female characters, all of my male characters have capes, therefore I can't see their @$$es. Therefore it is not homosexual.

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lol yes dont offend people with jesus heroes but playing a dude if you are one is a little gay lol but you dont play female characters hahahahaha dude that was good nice and multi layered I like that
so does that mean you cant make elton John with laser eyes?

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Leave it to an atheist to make a toon named Jesus and scream that it is a mexican name. Where do you think the Spanish/Mexicans got the name?

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Leave it to an atheist to make a toon named Jesus and scream that it is a mexican name. Where do you think the Spanish/Mexicans got the name?

Jesus should have copyrighted that name!

Sorry! I couldnt help but troll on that

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Jesus should have copyrighted that name!

Sorry! I couldnt help but troll on that

That made me laugh. That is the thing about about these forums some of the back and forth is pretty hilarious.

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I understand Cryptic there, their office is in America after all andt hey are probably more afraid of seeing a bunch of fanatics raid their office with heavy weapons or bomb them than having problems with the justice for copyright matters.

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* Jesus calls up <player name withheld> *

Player: Hello?

Jesus: Peace be with you. This is Jesus.

Player: Uh... hello...?

Jesus: Yeah... I understand that you have a character named after me?

Player: Oh, yes I do.

Jesus: ..............yeah... well that's sort of a problem.

Player: What kind of problem?

Jesus: Well, you see, I've already got a copywrite on the name, sooo....

Player: ...so what do you want me to do about it?

Jesus: Yeah... if you could just... change the name to something else, that would be great.

Player: And what if I don't.

Jesus: ..............yeah... since I don't believe in taking people to court, I'm just going to withhold blessings from you. And you're not invited to my birthday either.

Player: But your birthday is Christmas. I'm not allowed to participate in Christmas???

Jesus: Yeah, no, you're not. You could always change your name though.

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* Jesus calls up <player name withheld> *

Player: Hello?

Jesus: Peace be with you. This is Jesus.

Player: Uh... hello...?

Jesus: Yeah... I understand that you have a character named after me?

Player: Oh, yes I do.

Jesus: ..............yeah... well that's sort of a problem.

Player: What kind of problem?

Jesus: Well, you see, I've already got a copywrite on the name, sooo....

Player: ...so what do you want me to do about it?

Jesus: Yeah... if you could just... change the name to something else, that would be great.

Player: And what if I don't.

Jesus: ..............yeah... since I don't believe in taking people to court, I'm just going to withhold blessings from you. And you're not invited to my birthday either.

Player: But your birthday is Christmas. I'm not allowed to participate in Christmas???

Jesus: Yeah, no, you're not. You could always change your name though.


Aaahahaha xD

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I agree with Cryptic's decision to ban your white-robe'd-halo-wearing friend from using the name Jesus in game.

Jesus is busy saving souls not running around Millenium City acting like a dolt.

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I saw a character named Jesus while I was at a science table during the open beta run. His appearance was such that one could clearly see a reference to the religious figure of Jesus. I feel it was in good taste for Cryptic to not allow that.

Agreed. This should go for any religious figure as far as I'm concerned.

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Funny thing about that is, what "Looks" to be a religious figure is entirely your opinion. IF he looks like jesus and names himself Messiah, whats the difference? None. Better yet, if he looks just like Jesus, and names himself John..... People will still say... wow he looks like Jesus.

So your only option is to restrict people from making biblical looking characters. Furthermore, I'm not religious and I take just as much or more offense by you limiting creativity than someone who is genuinely offended by a characters who looks and reads "Jesus."

This is a situation that is all subjective based upon each individuals personal beliefs.... and you step on beliefs not matter what action you take.

Thanks, for the headache on DAY ONE. He's only been named Jesus with the saved template for 2 weeks now. Could have been resolved before early access right?

You are being difficult for no other reason than to be difficult. You know the rules, regardless of how much you pay you have to follow them.

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Ahaha dope! I would love to see a Jesus in game busting heads..

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* Jesus calls up <player name withheld> *

Player: Hello?

Jesus: Peace be with you. This is Jesus.

Player: Uh... hello...?

Jesus: Yeah... I understand that you have a character named after me?

Player: Oh, yes I do.

Jesus: ..............yeah... well that's sort of a problem.

Player: What kind of problem?

Jesus: Well, you see, I've already got a copywrite on the name, sooo....

Player: ...so what do you want me to do about it?

Jesus: Yeah... if you could just... change the name to something else, that would be great.

Player: And what if I don't.

Jesus: ..............yeah... since I don't believe in taking people to court, I'm just going to withhold blessings from you. And you're not invited to my birthday either.

Player: But your birthday is Christmas. I'm not allowed to participate in Christmas???

Jesus: Yeah, no, you're not. You could always change your name though.

Thanks, I needed the laugh.

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Agreed. This should go for any religious figure as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed.


I personally don't give a damn if people make religious figures as characters.

There are, however, many people who get offended by seeing a deity from a religion they don't practice. It would be dangerous for Cryptic to allow any religious figures.

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Epic Fail for all who participated in this discussion.

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Agreed.


I personally don't give a damn if people make religious figures as characters.

There are, however, many people who get offended by seeing a deity from a religion they don't practice. It would be dangerous for Cryptic to allow any religious figures.

Exactly. It's important that Cryptic is consistent in the application of the rules rather than arbitrarily applying them in cases like these, and I respect the fact that some people may be offended by seeing a religious figure from their respective religion depicted in the game in some form.

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Funny thing about that is, what "Looks" to be a religious figure is entirely your opinion. IF he looks like jesus and names himself Messiah, whats the difference? None. Better yet, if he looks just like Jesus, and names himself John..... People will still say... wow he looks like Jesus.

So your only option is to restrict people from making biblical looking characters. Furthermore, I'm not religious and I take just as much or more offense by you limiting creativity than someone who is genuinely offended by a characters who looks and reads "Jesus."

This is a situation that is all subjective based upon each individuals personal beliefs.... and you step on beliefs not matter what action you take.

Thanks, for the headache on DAY ONE. He's only been named Jesus with the saved template for 2 weeks now. Could have been resolved before early access right?

YEah cause they had nothing else to do, so they waited for early access to stick it to him..... some people are pretty stupid, they usually go off petition made by players, and yes if you make a character who likes exactly like Jesus your gonna have to change the cos, even if the name is something else, don't be a knob. It's all for the same reason they can't have a SupahMan who looks exactly like superman or somone name the Bush who looks like George bush. First of all it does affend in cases, second of all it's ******** and has no place in a game about a comic book world, get your head out of your ass

THis sin't something new it's done to keep problems at a minimal

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Yes, because this is not religion. This is mythology.

and what makes it mythology? the lack of proof? :p

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I’m liking it that Cryptic take both name and context into consideration; it is good to see they think about these things instead of having a knee jerk reaction to such issues. Though I was wondering about this part of the naming policy:

# Incorporate the name or image of a religious figure or deity
# Incorporate any form religious title (i.e. "The Lord", "Rabbi")

Surely there should be some kind of footnote indicating that this refers to major politically powerful religions? It would not be practical to disallow all religious references e.g. modern Pagans, though limited in number, are a diverse bunch and as such to prevent any reference to anything Pagan would be rather limiting to creativity. In CoH (which I would think had a similar naming policy) I had a character called “The Archdruid” (plant controll/storm summoning) and this was never censored.

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Personally, and I'm being honest here, I don't play female characters at all. But I will just say that playing characters that are the same gender as you in a third-person game is a little homosexual, don't you think? I mean you're staring at the @$$ of your own gender! And with that said, I'd like to point out that while I don't play female characters, all of my male characters have capes, therefore I can't see their @$$es. Therefore it is not homosexual.

Wow, what a weird way of thinking.. I sure hope you don't ever look at a womans behind then..

I always thought women have to take a crap every once in awhile like men do. LOL So really, if looking at a guys behind grosses you out because of that factor.. Wouldn't the same thing apply to women too since they do the same thing in the bathroom as a guy? :eek:


I could go further with your line of thinking, but wow... My mind is being boggled at the very thought of how many gay people there would be in the world if what you said was true.. :eek:

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One's religion could be considered a myth to another. See the Flying Spaghetti Monster in wiki for reference.

If someone creates a Flying Spaghetti Monster that looks like a Flying Spaghetti Monster, I'm going to petition that it's offensive and use the Jesus reason. One man's god is another man's myth. :)

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If someone creates a Flying Spaghetti Monster that looks like a Flying Spaghetti Monster, I'm going to petition that it's offensive and use the Jesus reason. One man's god is another man's myth. :)

What about bunnies? Do bunnies count too? :D Fear the evil bunny of doom! :eek:

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you look to much like the hulk.. you look to much like pope john. you look to much like a guy i know down the street from the s bank..
and dont ever say niet to an old woman in the street dressed like king arthur with the name king arthur. even if king arthur is your real name.

is it really so hard to just play the game and leave other people the heck alone.........


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and what makes it mythology? the lack of proof? :p

Nobody worships Zeus anymore.

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Personally, and I'm being honest here, I don't play female characters at all. But I will just say that playing characters that are the same gender as you in a third-person game is a little homosexual, don't you think? I mean you're staring at the @$$ of your own gender! And with that said, I'd like to point out that while I don't play female characters, all of my male characters have capes, therefore I can't see their @$$es. Therefore it is not homosexual.

That's assuming that people actually ogle the asses of their characters to begin with. I'd like to believe that people are instead paying attention to the actual game.
Still, though, what a juvenile thing to say.

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Funny thing about that is, what "Looks" to be a religious figure is entirely your opinion. IF he looks like jesus and names himself Messiah, whats the difference? None. Better yet, if he looks just like Jesus, and names himself John..... People will still say... wow he looks like Jesus.

So your only option is to restrict people from making biblical looking characters. Furthermore, I'm not religious and I take just as much or more offense by you limiting creativity than someone who is genuinely offended by a characters who looks and reads "Jesus."

This is a situation that is all subjective based upon each individuals personal beliefs.... and you step on beliefs not matter what action you take.

Thanks, for the headache on DAY ONE. He's only been named Jesus with the saved template for 2 weeks now. Could have been resolved before early access right?

Um, no. Get over it.

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Wow, what a weird way of thinking.. I sure hope you don't ever look at a womans behind then..

I always thought women have to take a crap every once in awhile like men do. LOL So really, if looking at a guys behind grosses you out because of that factor.. Wouldn't the same thing apply to women too since they do the same thing in the bathroom as a guy? :eek:


I could go further with your line of thinking, but wow... My mind is being boggled at the very thought of how many gay people there would be in the world if what you said was true.. :eek:

In all seriousness, women's wider hips result in rounder more "bubbly" buttocks. So there is a slight difference. I mean if there weren't, every time a guy said, "Wow! She has a nice @$$", that would mean that he could say the same thing about another guy. And that would be homosexual. Now, in all fairness, yes it was a fairly cheap comment. However, I was stating my opinion concerning the whole, people playing female characters that are wearing offensive clothing (or not wearing any at all, in some cases...) thing. You have to admit though, it is a semi-valid point.

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Nobody worships Zeus anymore.

thats quite a large thing to claim, how would you know this?

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Um, My buddy just got a message from Cryptic Support saying he must rename his character from "Jesus" because it ties to religeon. His name isn't "Jesus Christ" and Jesus is spanish name.... often pronounced "Hey-Zeus." If I can name my character Michael (even though there is an arch angel Michael) Than there is NO REASON for him to have to change his name. After what we paid to get in the game this is most ridiculous.

This is unacceptable. Next were gonna be told we can't have Xerxes... or Gandhi just because they are "Famous" names.

We are playing a video game, leave your Religion at home. If you don't like playing with a character named "Jesus" than you shouldn't be playing this game.

After paying $250 for this game I find it absurd to be told that we can't name a character what we wish (unless it's a copywritten name.)

Show me the copyright on Jesus...

That is all.

I'm sure "your buddy" did it for the reason you say....cause it's a"Mexican" name....

uh huh.....

:rolleyes:

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I'm sure "your buddy" did it for the reason you say....cause it's a"Mexican" name....

uh huh.....

:rolleyes:

why in the name of god are you quoting me for and saying that, the "jesus" guy aint my buddy,lol

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Why would you give it attention? It's not the people who makes names and characters like this that are the problem... it's the people who give a damn about something that has nothing to do with them that is the problem.

One more time, I'm not religious, I'm an Atheist... About 40% of Americans are Atheist's now too.... I'm not here to debate religion, I am here to prove that no matter how you handle a situation like that your stepping on someone's toes.

There is nothing Copywritten, so there should be no problem.

You give Atheism a bad name. You know damned well and good you think you're being clever, but you're really just trying to push the envelope to prove some immature agenda.

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I'm a hardcore christian, and I thought it was funny that I saw a "Raptor Jesus" who was basically Jesus- but with a lizard head. But it was still disrespectful- regardless if it's funny. I don't care personally- and I'm not offended- but I also don't go around creating alternate versions of other people's beliefs (or lack of.) Saw that guy too.

Was awesome.

Pirate Jesus was better, though.

Y'know, jus' sayin'.

Afterall... how many Scientists would be offended if I made "Gorilla Darwin" or "Lizard Einstein." Sure it would be hilarious. Funny. It certainly wouldn't be the end of the world. Ppl in general wouldn't care that much (except those sensitive to their personal heroes) But respecting "Heroes" of science is also nice every now and then.

I'd be offended.

Mostly because you got it wrong, man. It's LIZARD Darwin, and Gorilla Einstein. Seriously, now. Darwin came up with the theory of evolution while visiting the Galapagos and checking out lizards. Einstein, on the other hand is a super physicist genius type, and in comic books those are almost always gorillas.

Or perhaps someone making "RED OBAMA" which is a communist version of the US president Obama with a red communist symbol on his otherwise Presidential Suit and Tie. Once again- could be fun, funny, but is disrespectful. ANNNNND I know what character I'm making as soon as I can scrape together the money for the game.

His Nemesis will be Fascist **** Cheney.



Also, in the interest of truth, try 1.6%.
http://religions.pewforum.org/reports You mean 16%, right? Or are you trying to purposefully under represent the irreligious by excluding agnostics and the 'unaffiliated'?

By the way, it may not be fourty percent, but the irreligious are still the second largest 'religion' in America and make up a higher percentile than some Christian denominations.

Heh. So You are a greak/roman atheist.

When I use common sense, I am a greak/roman/jewish/christian/(insert name of known religion) atheist.

Holy ****, I didn't know Richard Dawkins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTZONIl546c) played Champions Online!

Tell me you roll as a robotic version of yourself.

If you don't I'm slotting in "Robot Dawkins" as a character idea right behind Red Obama.

Epic Fail for all who participated in this discussion.
It's funny because in order to say that you had to participate.

Nobody worships Zeus anymore.

thats quite a large thing to claim, how would you know this?

Yeah, man, I mean I believe in Zeus. How else are you going to explain lightening and thunder?


And, finally, in respect to Jesus as a Superhero (http://www.badkarmaproductions.com/jc/?p=35).

But, no, seriously, this is a stupid argument. Anyone who thought they'd be able to roll out J-Man and the Holy Trinity is a moron.

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why in the name of god are you quoting me for and saying that, the "jesus" guy aint my buddy,lol

good question...only answer I got is i quoted from the OP....the first post.....didn't even read the others.

So I got nadda why yours is the one that was quoted.

*fixing

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But, no, seriously, this is a stupid argument. Anyone who thought they'd be able to roll out J-Man and the Holy Trinity is a moron.

Best line ever....can I use it?

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Why not? Jesus is the Ultimate Super Hero. He never existed... nor could he have. It's all stories.... Jesus is no different than Iron Man, except that he was created to put fear into people back before technology could enforce law. Before radios walkie talkies and cops, the world ran on Morals..... and Morals only existed because we scared the daylights out of people telling them they would go to hell if they did wrong.

Jesus is awesome..... from a fictitious point a view. Jesus is just plain silly when taking as a reality.

You may think the of the Bible as nonsense ( I know I do beyond it's core teaching of treat others like you want to be treated, I also think faith based religions are nonsense, but let's not set the buckle of the bible belt off), but there is most certainly enough historic, non-religious evidence to support the existance of Jesus and the fact he was a very influential person in his time.

Try not to make broad statements with no basis in fact, it lends credibility to your argument.

p.s. you need a lesson in tolerance.

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i agree with the dev dont really have a prob with the neame jesus, depending if the character is saying anything else etc, such as being anti religious etc, but looking like the character too is gogin a bit far and could cause some people to be upset, im not religious but it is a game after all not a platform for religious views or anti views.

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Sorry, been busy playing. Only just stumbled on this lolfest, don't worry i'll sort it all out now.

Making a guy with a name even slightly similar to a religious figure who looks even remotely like that religious figure steps on toes. Big, hairy VIOLENT toes. Sure religion is, relatively speaking, on it's way out. At least, compared to previous centuries. That doesn't alter the fact that if you annoy these people, as history has shown us, you're quite likely to be burned/bombed/shot/stoned/hung or, dare I say it, sued. Putting all that aside, you might even offend some people, GENUINELY.

Ergo, if aynone's toes are to be stepped on, it's 100% correct that it should be the toes of the insensitive individuals who are tactless enough to recreate the patriarch of someones religion as a mere superhero, rather than the toes of the legions of folks who might react extremely badly.

Dev right, OP wrong. Sorted.

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Sorry, been busy playing. Only just stumbled on this lolfest, don't worry i'll sort it all out now.

Making a guy with a name even slightly similar to a religious figure who looks even remotely like that religious figure steps on toes. Big, hairy VIOLENT toes. Sure religion is, relatively speaking, on it's way out. At least, compared to previous centuries. That doesn't alter the fact that if you annoy these people, as history has shown us, you're quite likely to be burned/bombed/shot/stoned/hung or, dare I say it, sued. Putting all that aside, you might even offend some people, GENUINELY.

Ergo, if aynone's toes are to be stepped on, it's 100% correct that it should be the toes of the insensitive individuals who are tactless enough to recreate the patriarch of someones religion as a mere superhero, rather than the toes of the legions of folks who might react extremely badly.

Dev right, OP wrong. Sorted.

this...and your sig RULES!!

"sorry Shaun..."

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this...and your sig RULES!!

"sorry Shaun..."

:D

Danke. Btw...you've got red on you.

:D

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Yes, because this is not religion. This is mythology.

I know it's hard to get Christians to understand their faith is mythology.

Satan, Angels, Jesus, Moses parting the sea etc all of it is Mythology.

Religion isn't entirely banned, people play Angels, they have Greek Mythological mystic items etc

You have an Iconic Egyptian god figurehead in the game (though there are still Coptic religious people).

Personally I created a hero surrounding my own American Indian traditions.

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You may think the of the Bible as nonsense ( I know I do beyond it's core teaching of treat others like you want to be treated, I also think faith based religions are nonsense, but let's not set the buckle of the bible belt off), but there is most certainly enough historic, non-religious evidence to support the existance of Jesus and the fact he was a very influential person in his time.

Try not to make broad statements with no basis in fact, it lends credibility to your argument.

p.s. you need a lesson in tolerance.

Actually there isn't... if there's so much you could provide it so easily and Christian Theologist Archealogists wouldn't be so desperate. It's still faith based.

There were many false messiah cults, this one just happened to survive.

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i agree with the dev dont really have a prob with the neame jesus, depending if the character is saying anything else etc, such as being anti religious etc, but looking like the character too is gogin a bit far and could cause some people to be upset, im not religious but it is a game after all not a platform for religious views or anti views.

It is nice to see they draw lines, as to me it was a good move too.

Though they have a hero who rips into American Indian Religious Tradition... so I dunno how I feel "Exactly" about it.

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Hey, what's one of the Big Three things you never discuss on the forums? Oh, that's right, it's religion.

Thread closed. I've already made my comments to explain why we might censor a character named "Jesus".