1-10 Impossible to RESPEC

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Might as well spend an hour to reroll another character over respecing.

1) Price is to high for so low a level
2) Resources are few and far between. Mostly because their are 5million people in each zone. Secondly quests and NPC dont give but 1 resource.

The time it would take to respec a couple of powers would take so long in time to do it that you would out level the oppurtunity to respec those abilities. (UNLESS you didnt buy any new powers)

Needs a fast fix or people will be gimping their characters in Tier 1 and going into Tier 2 missing a major part of this game. (COSTUMIZATION) sp?

Anyways, goodluck!!:mad:

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Might as well spend an hour to reroll another character over respecing.

1) Price is to high for so low a level
2) Resources are few and far between. Mostly because their are 5million people in each zone. Secondly quests and NPC dont give but 1 resource.

The time it would take to respec a couple of powers would take so long in time to do it that you would out level the oppurtunity to respec those abilities. (UNLESS you didnt buy any new powers)

Needs a fast fix or people will be gimping their characters in Tier 1 and going into Tier 2 missing a major part of this game. (COSTUMIZATION) sp?

Anyways, goodluck!!:mad:

you should use a crying emote instead of an angry one.

its level 10. suck it up. have fun.

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suck it up. have fun.

If he is having to 'suck it up', then more than likely he is not having 'fun'.

Just an observation.

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If he is having to 'suck it up', then more than likely he is not having 'fun'.

Just an observation.

Omg, your avatar is awesome, wonder how many people actually get the reference >_<.

Anyways, the point is respec costs are supposed to be expensive not completely unaffordable. If we could get enough $ from killing mobs this wouldn't be a problem but as all the money comes from missions which there are only so many of per level this can cause a problem.

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Omg, your avatar is awesome, wonder how many people actually get the reference >_<.

And I wish there was a hair option like Nathans in your Sig. :)

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reroll. its free. an hour played time in an mmo? nothing. suck it up or continue whining. *shrug*

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I don't mind the respec costs being high later on, but at the beginning a lot of people want to respec out of the second power, which they couldn't change to the one they wanted at character creation (for some reason). It really needs to come down in like the pre-10 levels.

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Sounds like respec'in is gonna suck in the game then :/

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By the time you hit 40 you will have taken a handfull of powers you rarely, if ever use anyway. If you end up with one extra power early that you don't use often you'll be ok.

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I don't mind the respec costs being high later on, but at the beginning a lot of people want to respec out of the second power, which they couldn't change to the one they wanted at character creation (for some reason). It really needs to come down in like the pre-10 levels.

im really lost on the idea of spending in game resources to change a character with ONE hour of played time.

am i a freak because i dont see the issue here? are you guys all uber-casual family men/women that can't fathom "wasting" an hour of time?

seriously... guys, i have NEVER heard of anyone wanting the ability to respec a 'new-born' char in an mmo...

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Well, while I don't think it is IMPOSSIBLE ... it is highly difficult.

To respec my first 8 choices would cost 27,000 resources - the first choice is 1400 (I have made 1600 so far, I am level 11 and I have done all the quests available to me so far and killed probably an extra 100 mobs).

With no way to respec later in the game, making us pretty much stick with whatever we choose early on is pretty unfair. The only way to fix mistakes made in the early levels is to A) Have an alt with cash or B) Create a new character all together.

Yes it is "just level 10" but that is 3 out of 14 powers and 2 advantages already that you HAVE to keep. If you are new to the game, there is no way you are going to know what powers you want at level 40. Maybe you think that AoE is cool vs the training dummy, but in real play it is just too slow to charge. Should it really cost 1400 resources to take that choice back, when you cannot take it back later?

Yes I understand why they did it. I was using the low respec costs to keep my powers on top that I wasn't sure if I liked, that way I could respec as I please power wise. That is not how they meant it to go ... but I think they overdid it just a tad. :)

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Sell off some of the useless drops that you get from the MOBs. The resources are there, you just have to sacrifice a bit. At level 10, though, how could you possibly have made a mistake? You have like 3 powers and a movement!

I'm not arguing that it's expensive, but I think it's supposed to be.

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Sell off some of the useless drops that you get from the MOBs. The resources are there, you just have to sacrifice a bit. At level 10, though, how could you possibly have made a mistake? You have like 3 powers and a movement!

I'm not arguing that it's expensive, but I think it's supposed to be.

or the time it would take to do all this non-sense you could have a new level 11 character with the skills you want. im out of this thread.

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People shouldn't be forced to "suck it up". The game is putting obstacles in the way of enjoyment for completely arbitrary reasons. There is no reason for low level respecs to be completely beyond the reach of a player.

The game should not have random cockblocks thrown in to force people to reroll and run a tutorial repeatedly for the unspeakable crime of picking the wrong power. There are tons of powers, tons of advantages, and sometimes players want to experiment in real world situations.

Simply, it's shoddy design.

or the time it would take to do all this non-sense you could have a new level 11 character with the skills you want. im out of this thread.
Or they could make the system better. The player should not be forced to start from scratch every time they pick one wrong power, or suffer with a power they'll always regret. Players should be invested in their characters, and not have to be ready to junk them every time they mess up with power selection.

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im really lost on the idea of spending in game resources to change a character with ONE hour of played time.

am i a freak because i dont see the issue here? are you guys all uber-casual family men/women that can't fathom "wasting" an hour of time?

seriously... guys, i have NEVER heard of anyone wanting the ability to respec a 'new-born' char in an mmo...

I mostly want to repsec that early because we can't choose tier 1 powers in the character creator.

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I'm thinking it was simply a mistake on the devs part... costs seem to increase with level, so new balancing issue maybe? :)

I already see about 4 threads about this topic. :D

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Sell off some of the useless drops that you get from the MOBs. The resources are there, you just have to sacrifice a bit. At level 10, though, how could you possibly have made a mistake? You have like 3 powers and a movement!

I'm not arguing that it's expensive, but I think it's supposed to be.

I had the same issue as the OP, but came to the conclusion a reroll is cheaper and faster.

I sold EVERYTHING I had and that was enough to respec one power (I fudged a respec just earlier). So I grinded enough to respec the other two powers, which caused me to level up, which about doubled the respec cost of each power. So I once again had enough to respec one power. :mad:

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nvm

message too short. yadadada

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I think it just reinforces the need to test your powers before leaving the PH. It's true that testing there isn't quite the same as testing in the real world, but you can get a fair sense of how things work.

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Why make the system available in the first place if its near impossible to afford a respec.

Could be just me, but that makes no sense to me.

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I think it just reinforces the need to test your powers before leaving the PH. It's true that testing there isn't quite the same as testing in the real world, but you can get a fair sense of how things work.

This doesn't help me if I want to get rid of say, Experimental Blaster and take Chainsaw instead.

Hint: You can't choose Chainsaw as a starting power in the character creator even though you are eligible to take it if you took Sonic Blaster as your energy builder.

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I think it just reinforces the need to test your powers before leaving the PH. It's true that testing there isn't quite the same as testing in the real world, but you can get a fair sense of how things work.

But can't you learn powers outside of the PH?

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I think it just reinforces the need to test your powers before leaving the PH. It's true that testing there isn't quite the same as testing in the real world, but you can get a fair sense of how things work.
That's really not the point. They hyped a reasonable respec system and then yanked it. As it stands, there are no respecs available to the average player. People were able to try powers in real world applications and respec if necessary, and they no longer have that option. Cryptic made a change to the system that does nothing to add fun to the game and everything to remove fun from the game. That's bad policy and very shoddy design.

People shouldn't have to stress and worry about picking powers in what should be a fun and enjoyable game. They shouldn't have to cram for specs like it's the LSATs. People should be able to undo a mistake or two instead of having to suffer with a flawed character or start from scratch. That's not fun, and games are supposed to be fun.

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That's really not the point. They hyped a reasonable respec system and then yanked it. As it stands, there are no respecs available to the average player. People were able to try powers in real world applications and respec if necessary, and they no longer have that option. Cryptic made a change to the system that does nothing to add fun to the game and everything to remove fun from the game. That's bad policy and very shoddy design.

People shouldn't have to stress and worry about picking powers in what should be a fun and enjoyable game. They shouldn't have to cram for specs like it's the LSATs. People should be able to undo a mistake or two instead of having to suffer with a flawed character or start from scratch. That's not fun, and games are supposed to be fun.

I agree 100%.. The outcry will be huge once people have some time invested in their char and realize they made poor choices earlier in the game due to no fault of their own. The Powerhouse testing doesn't cut it.

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People keep giving justifications or excuses or ways to work around it, or telling people to "do research lol". I don't want to study a game, I want to play it and have fun. I don't want to stress about this sort of thing, I want to run around and fight villains and stuff.

This isn't lifetime subs, this is a game mechanic and entirely within Cryptic's control. They should make this game as fun as possible.

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Perhaps it's also geared with the future in mind. You may not be able to respec now, but once you start emailing yourself funds from your teammates and your level 40; you'll have more cash than you know what to do with.

It happened in CoH; people were handing resources out all the time!

Either way, I look at it as an issue that will be fixed if they think it needs to be fixed. I don't respec my first couple of powers. Never have, never will.

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Perhaps it's also geared with the future in mind. You may not be able to respec now, but once you start emailing yourself funds from your teammates and your level 40; you'll have more cash than you know what to do with.

It happened in CoH; people were handing resources out all the time!

Either way, I look at it as an issue that will be fixed if they think it needs to be fixed. I don't respec my first couple of powers. Never have, never will.

Yes but some of us always have, and now we never will be able to again ;)

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Should have tested the build out more in the power house. You can try before you commit to anything.

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Should have tested the build out more in the power house. You can try before you commit to anything.
Hey, here's what I said a couple posts above yours, reading the thread is awesome!

"That's really not the point. They hyped a reasonable respec system and then yanked it. As it stands, there are no respecs available to the average player. People were able to try powers in real world applications and respec if necessary, and they no longer have that option. Cryptic made a change to the system that does nothing to add fun to the game and everything to remove fun from the game. That's bad policy and very shoddy design.

People shouldn't have to stress and worry about picking powers in what should be a fun and enjoyable game. They shouldn't have to cram for specs like it's the LSATs. People should be able to undo a mistake or two instead of having to suffer with a flawed character or start from scratch. That's not fun, and games are supposed to be fun."

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Mmmm....

I'm hoping something went wonky when they patched everything for head start. Otherwise this is ridiculous.

Hotfix Cryptic plz?

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@ Mushroom - Uhhh, last time I checked character creation power selection didn't happen in the powerhouse. L2play

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Should have tested the build out more in the power house. You can try before you commit to anything.

That's completely not what I was referencing. I was specifically referring to the powers you START with. You know, when you have limited selections and cannot select any of the tier 1 powers, just the one they choose to list for you. So I get a power I don't want with the plan to swap it out as soon as I can first get to the powerhouse...only now, I can no longer afford to do that.

So to clarify:

When you first start you do not have the ability to pick from ALL tier 1 powers like you "should"
When you go to the powerhouse you used to be able to afford swapping out your tier 1 power for one you actually like
You can no longer afford to do that and it is impossible to "reroll to fix it" since the power you want is not available to choose at creation

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Should have tested the build out more in the power house. You can try before you commit to anything.
Hi, my name is InfectedMushroom and I cannot read.

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I think some people are confused on the real reason this is a problem. To those of you suggesting take Custom Framework, that will not fix the issue.

When you pick a character you have the option of two trees of powers to pick from

Energy Builders
Electric Bolt (Electricity)
Throw Fire (Fire)
Force Bolts (Force)
Ice Shards (Ice)
Strafe (Archery)
Sonic Blaster (Gadgeteering)
Gun Slinger (Munitions)
Wrist Bolter (Power Armor)
Rain of Steel (Dual Blade)
Hawk's Talons (Claws)
Reaper's Touch (Single Blade)
Righteous Fists (Unarmed)
Kinetic Dart (Telekinesis)
Psi Lash (Telepathy)
Clobber (Might)
Shadow Bolt (Darkness)
Eldritch Bolts (Sorcery)
Bestial Fury (Supernatural)

Energy Power
Chain Lightning (Elec)
Firestrike (Fire)
Force Blast (Force)
Ice Blast (Ice)
Sonic Arrow (Archery)
Experimental Blaster (Gadg)
Two-Gun Mojo (Munitions)
Power Gauntlet (Power Armor)
Blade Tempest (Dual Blade)
Viper's Fangs (Claw)
Reaper's Caress (Single Blade)
Thundering Kicks (Unarmed)
Ego Weaponry (Telekinesis)
Ego Blast (Telepathy)
Beatdown (Might)
Shadow Blast (Darkness)
Eldritch Blast (Sorcery)
Lash (Supernatural)

It is true that I could take Throw Fire and Shadow Blast with a custom framework. That is not the problem. The problem is when you stay in one Framework. While an energy builder will not count towards other frameworks, it does count as a power in its own framework. So Throw Fire counts as a Fire power. This means that if you take Throw Fire, you can actually have access to Firestrike, Fire Breath, Heat Wave, Immolation, and Thermal Reverberation. Now if you're energy builder was something other then Throw Fire, yes, you would only have access to Firestrike, but since it is Throw Fire you can take those other powers instead of Firestrike. Alternately you could take, say, Force Bolts as your energy builder. You would only have access to Firestrike then, but within Force you'd have access to Force Blast, Force Shield, Personal Force Field, Force Eruption, and Protection Field. And this example applies to all frameworks, I just assumed no one wants to see a list that scrolls halfway down the page :p

Now, in CB and OB when you got to the Powerhouse for the first time, you could immediately spec out of your starting Energy Power if you had no intention to ever use it again. This was free and a lot of people did it to better fit their characters to a theme (ex. Breath Fire makes a lot more sense to a draconic character then Firestrike). No one had a problem with not being able to pick those other T1 powers at character creation because it was free to do so once you got to the Powerhouse at level 5. Now it is no longer free. In it of itself that is not a problem. But, on top of not being free, the cost has grown to a point where you cannot afford it without spending time finding items to sell as normal combat will not generate enough AND if you level trying to farm said items, the cost goes up requiring more farming.

Hopefully this makes more sense to most people.

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Perhaps then the issue is not that the respecs are too expensive. Perhaps the real problem lies in the customer power set. This should be an acceptable go around for the fixed power sets and it's not.

I really don't think that respecs should be used to swap out an initial power, because I think there should be a reasonable alternative: the custom power set.

I also do not think that respecs should be cheap. Just saying! ;)

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Perhaps then the issue is not that the respecs are too expensive. Perhaps the real problem lies in the customer power set. This should be an acceptable go around for the fixed power sets and it's not.

I really don't think that respecs should be used to swap out an initial power, because I think there should be a reasonable alternative: the custom power set.

I also do not think that respecs should be cheap. Just saying! ;)

I see no problem leaving the cost the way it is if they give you access to the full range of T1 powers during custom framework setup.

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The simplest fix seems to be to reduce respec costs at lower levels but then ramp them up later, perhaps around level 10 or 12.

Edit: Or yeah, to allow access to tier 1 powers from the start, though I think I would still like lowered respec costs at the beginning.

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I see no problem leaving the cost the way it is if they give you access to the full range of T1 powers during custom framework setup.

Ditto that -- giving access to the full range of powers that are actually valid choices during creation would 100% resolve the issue from my perspective as well.

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I think they're doing with Respecs what they did with costumes/tailors initially. Way WAY overpriced them until we all scream ****** murder before lowering them to a reasonable rate. I'm on the opinion that high respecs are fine.... If and ONLY if you let us respec all the way back, even at max level. If you restrict it to only the past 10, then the prices need to come down.

That's my 2 cents worth (And yeah, I liked being able to respect out the lousy 2nd slot and put in something from the larger pool).

- Polecat

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I was hoping to respec the innate talents once they re-implemented them. I sold everything I had on me to cover the 15s cost and planned on keeping innate talent at the top of the respec list as suggested by cryptic. Once I respecced I checked to cost and it showed Innate Talent as a 0 cost respec.... until I leveled up! :eek: Now itll cost me another 4s :mad: gg cryptic

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Perhaps then the issue is not that the respecs are too expensive. Perhaps the real problem lies in the customer power set. This should be an acceptable go around for the fixed power sets and it's not.

I really don't think that respecs should be used to swap out an initial power, because I think there should be a reasonable alternative: the custom power set.

I also do not think that respecs should be cheap. Just saying! ;)

I think respecs should be possible. You're levelling so fast around this stage that every time you have enough dosh you level up. You can't train because you don't want to add to respec costs. It's just a frustrating situation.

If it were the case that respecs weren't even available for the first x levels, then nobody would be complaining. But this is the case, and we can't use it, hence the problem.

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Ditto that -- giving access to the full range of powers that are actually valid choices during creation would 100% resolve the issue from my perspective as well.

I suspect the reason you feel that way is because you don't intend to respec anymore after that? Thats fine.

Not from my perspective however. I enjoy tweaking my character, and would frankly prefer a WoW-style easy available full respec. Today i want to play a healer, tomorrow i might want to dps.
With the costs the way they are they might as well remove the option to retcon altogether once you leave the power house. They already had a limiter in place by limiting retcons to the last ten powers/talents/advantages you changed. To also make money a strict limiter seems excessive.

You cant balance costs with the thought of having maxlevel characters with deep pockets to twink out the lowbies.

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I think respecs should be possible. You're levelling so fast around this stage that every time you have enough dosh you level up. You can't train because you don't want to add to respec costs. It's just a frustrating situation.

If it were the case that respecs weren't even available for the first x levels, then nobody would be complaining. But this is the case, and we can't use it, hence the problem.

I respect your opinion, however I don't think respecs should be easily available for the players own good. You'll never learn how to effectively fight with your character if you constantly change the powers. Further, you might respec and then cry foul because your new power is not what you had hoped it would be AND you'd be out of resources anyway. Potentially this would create even more outcry for lower respec costs due to the 'Phantom Jipp" effect that seems so prevalent on these boards. Nah, I think research and a better custom power set is the way to go.

Just my opinion.

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Ditto that -- giving access to the full range of powers that are actually valid choices during creation would 100% resolve the issue from my perspective as well.

They had that early in the closed beta. Let's just say it caused a great deal of confusion, and was thusly eliminated. Not entirely sure of the reason why, but I wager it was to make it easier for those not familiar with the system. And yes, we griped, and Cryptic basically told us "That's the way it is, deal with it.".

- Polecat

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I respect your opinion, however I don't think respecs should be easily available for the players own good. You'll never learn how to effectively fight with your character if you constantly change the powers.
That's the main reason I think they *should* be allowed. Let the dabblers mess around and never truly learn any sets. It makes the rest of us look that much better in comparison.

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I respect your opinion, however I don't think respecs should be easily available for the players own good. You'll never learn how to effectively fight with your character if you constantly change the powers. Further, you might respec and then cry foul because your new power is not what you had hoped it would be AND you'd be out of resources anyway. Potentially this would create even more outcry for lower respec costs due to the 'Phantom Jipp" effect that seems so prevalent on these boards. Nah, I think research and a better custom power set is the way to go.

Just my opinion.

If someone doesn't learn to effectively fight with their character, then it's their fault. The game can't be designed in this fashion, forcing people to either spend all of their money or completely re-roll to change skills. I fully understand not wanting people to be switching up powers every day - that's why respecs need to be expensive LATER in the game...but not right at the start when people are experimenting.

Plus, the limit to the 10 most recent skills/advantages/etc is absolutely terrible. So if I take Regeneration now, and find at level 40 that it is useless, I'm stuck with it? If I take nice powers for leveling, and then later find out that they're bad at PvP, I'm stuck with a gimped character unless I re-roll? That's not fun...it's a design flaw & it really needs to be changed. FULL respecs need to be available for an expensive cost.

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If someone doesn't learn to effectively fight with their character, then it's their fault. The game can't be designed in this fashion, forcing people to either spend all of their money or completely re-roll to change skills. I fully understand not wanting people to be switching up powers every day - that's why respecs need to be expensive LATER in the game...but not right at the start when people are experimenting.
Or, and here's a crazy idea, make each step back increase the cost greatly. Double it every step. Doubling something 3 times is not prohibitive. Doubling it 20 times is. Math is fun.

It's not like the powerhouse is actually useful for testing powers, so anyone who hasn't played a particular power in beta will need to respec because that's the only way they can test a power. Whatever the other annoyance of the cost is, it effectively forces me to duplicate my characters from beta instead of trying something new.

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If someone doesn't learn to effectively fight with their character, then it's their fault. The game can't be designed in this fashion, forcing people to either spend all of their money or completely re-roll to change skills. I fully understand not wanting people to be switching up powers every day - that's why respecs need to be expensive LATER in the game...but not right at the start when people are experimenting.

Plus, the limit to the 10 most recent skills/advantages/etc is absolutely terrible. So if I take Regeneration now, and find at level 40 that it is useless, I'm stuck with it? If I take nice powers for leveling, and then later find out that they're bad at PvP, I'm stuck with a gimped character unless I re-roll? That's not fun...it's a design flaw & it really needs to be changed. FULL respecs need to be available for an expensive cost.

I see your point and it's your character I agree. All I can say is respecs are not a solution in my opinion, and I hope that a Dev is reading this and will jump in with a suggestion or even a mention that they realize this is an issue with some people.

I hate when you feel like no one is listening!

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Omg, your avatar is awesome, wonder how many people actually get the reference >_<.

Anyways, the point is respec costs are supposed to be expensive not completely unaffordable. If we could get enough $ from killing mobs this wouldn't be a problem but as all the money comes from missions which there are only so many of per level this can cause a problem.

I don't even think they are supposed to be "expensive."

That pretty much kills all customization.

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I don't even think they are supposed to be "expensive."

That pretty much kills all customization.

Oh quit it. A blanket statement like that is not accurate or helpful to the discussion.

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I didn't read the whole thread but I saw a LOT of people who don't understand what's going on.

The respec costs scale with level. They are drastically broken at the moment. This is not a low level problem. None of you will EVER be able to afford to respec at ANY level. The only time you'll be able to scrounge up the money for it will be level 40 after you've been grinding for a long long while.

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I see your point and it's your character I agree. All I can say is respecs are not a solution in my opinion, and I hope that a Dev is reading this and will jump in with a suggestion or even a mention that they realize this is an issue with some people.

I hate when you feel like no one is listening!I know what you mean :(

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Why make the system available in the first place if its near impossible to afford a respec.

Could be just me, but that makes no sense to me.

QFT

/signed needs fixing to at lest a sensible price why charge 100x+ more cash than a charater ever gonna have at that level?

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Look, I'm cool with fanboys being super excited about the game and feeling like they have to defend EVERYTHING. I understand. I really enjoy the game too.

But this is BROKEN.

There is absolutely no rational justification for this whatsoever.

Respecing powers are beyond expensive. They are literally unaffordable. That is absolutely absurd.

The #1 feature hyped about this game is the customization. If you cannot afford respec, tweak, undo, and redo things, then the customization is a NEGATIVE, not a POSITIVE.

If they are going to make respecing such an insane burdern, I'd rather just pick a class and have automatic powers given to me every level or two.

Having tons of choices becomes a BAD THING when there is no reasonable way to recover from those choices.

And no, testing powers against dummies (while nice) is not a solution. It isn't a real test, and frankly, I'd rather spend my time PLAYING THE GAME and EXPERIENCING THE CONTENT rather than sitting in the training room beating up on dummies.

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I didn't read the whole thread but I saw a LOT of people who don't understand what's going on.

The respec costs scale with level. They are drastically broken at the moment. This is not a low level problem. None of you will EVER be able to afford to respec at ANY level. The only time you'll be able to scrounge up the money for it will be level 40 after you've been grinding for a long long while.

I'll repeat this.

I sincerely hope the devs just made a mistake on this and will return costs to sane levels ASAP. I have a sneaky suspicion someone might want to sell respecs for real money though. Microtransactions.

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I respect your opinion, however I don't think respecs should be easily available for the players own good. You'll never learn how to effectively fight with your character if you constantly change the powers.

Thanks for telling me how to play, Dad.

Honestly, the level of paternalism and control exerted by anti-respec people amazes the heck out of me.

You play the way you play, and let other people play the way they want to play. Easy, right?

For the love of god. It is unreal.

I really, really wish they'd just make two servers. One with cheap power respecs, and relatively easy to obtain full respecs. The other server with no full respecs, and expensive single respecs.

Let the anti-respec folks enjoy their own empty server where they can't find teams and instance runs.

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I think it's broken.

I picked gadget, hate the second power. I always respec out of it when I get out of tutorial. This was the first time post Open Beta and I was floored.

Hope they fix it, it doesn't seem right at all.

As for sucking it up. Hey, that's dirty!

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Yeah the system is broken atm. The did change the respec cost the same day the "adjusted" the first time the xp cost. Now after the "reverted" for a few days most of the old xp system the simple forgot to do the same with the respec cost.

Could only respec one power at lvl 6 after the tutorial because I sold one expansive item. Now at lvl 14 (with crafting) I have half the resources that would be needed to respec only one step!

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Might as well spend an hour to reroll another character over respecing.

1) Price is to high for so low a level
2) Resources are few and far between. Mostly because their are 5million people in each zone. Secondly quests and NPC dont give but 1 resource.

The time it would take to respec a couple of powers would take so long in time to do it that you would out level the oppurtunity to respec those abilities. (UNLESS you didnt buy any new powers)

Needs a fast fix or people will be gimping their characters in Tier 1 and going into Tier 2 missing a major part of this game. (COSTUMIZATION) sp?

Anyways, goodluck!!:mad:

I have having this same issue.

I finished the tutorial at level 6, just doing baseline missions with no extra killing.

Went straight to powerhouse. Wanted to drop Power Gauntlet and pick up Eyebeams. I had 290 influence, powerhouse wanted 404.

I did 3 quests and pushed my resources to 443, but I dinged 7 in the process. Powerhouse wanted 1400 resources to repec my 1 power.

I ran a bunch more quest and ding 8. Even selling everything I owed would have given me only 1100 resources. Powerhouse now wanted 2400 resources for me to respec my 1 power.

Diffused the bomb, killed Ferd, finished the instance. In second desert area now. Dinged 9 in the process. Powerhouse now wants 3200 resources. I have only 1800.

I am still running with my original two powers, hoping suddenly get a surge in earnings before 10. I have already seen my initial stat selection drop off the back end even though I have not taken any of my choices. Following this pattern, I will loose the ability to reset my energy builder at 10 and power gauntlet at 11. This is occuring even though I have made 0 choices.

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At the moment it seems like respeccing is in an alpha state, you will, no matter what, under every conceivable circumstance have to rereoll when you hit 30. It's an obvious problem though, so I'm sure Cryptic will act appropriately and change it to something that will allow you to build a viable character. For now though I'll run an electric toon. Chain Lightning at least is great.

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you should use a crying emote instead of an angry one.

its level 10. suck it up. have fun.

The inabillity to swap out a starting power for an alternate tier 1 ability in the same framework as your energy builder is something that will impact your character for his entire life.

It means you are stuck wasting a power slot on a power you never wanted but were forced to take.

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Thanks for telling me how to play, Dad.

Honestly, the level of paternalism and control exerted by anti-respec people amazes the heck out of me.

You play the way you play, and let other people play the way they want to play. Easy, right?

For the love of god. It is unreal.

I really, really wish they'd just make two servers. One with cheap power respecs, and relatively easy to obtain full respecs. The other server with no full respecs, and expensive single respecs.

Let the anti-respec folks enjoy their own empty server where they can't find teams and instance runs.

Things not going well on your other 5 threads concering respecs? Had to come back here to troll? We get it, you like to mess with your character. I tried to be very accomodating to your perspective, but unfortunately you are just too ignorant to deal with on a normal level.

I hope you get your respecs and you get to waste all your cash messing with your weak build. Apparently you don't consider the selection of powers and costume designer any form of customization at all. I get it, Now, why don't you write a letter to the Devs instead of spouting your innane and pointless drivel over and over and over and over and over and over and over again on as many threads as you can create.

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reroll. its free. an hour played time in an mmo? nothing. suck it up or continue whining. *shrug*

Rerolling does not fix the issue.

The issue is with a respec I could swap my level 1 attack power out for one not offered during initial character creation.

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Things not going well on your other 5 threads concering respecs?

Actually, the other threads are going great. The pro-respec people are the only ones making good arguments. The anti-respec people are resorting to "just reroll noob" and "just suck it up".

So it isn't hard to see who is making the better case.



I hope you get your respecs and you get to waste all your cash messing with your weak build. Apparently you don't consider the selection of powers and costume designer any form of customization at all. I get it,


No, I don't consider it customization if every choice is locked in and unchangeable. That's like asking a 3 year old child to decide where they want to retire when they turn 75 years old.

That's not a choice. That's a guess.



Now, why don't you write a letter to the Devs

What contact email actually reaches someone who will respond? Do you know one? I sure don't.

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Actually, the other threads are going great. The pro-respec people are the only ones making good arguments. The anti-respec people are resorting to "just reroll noob" and "just suck it up".

So it isn't hard to see who is making the better case.




No, I don't consider it customization if every choice is locked in and unchangeable. That's like asking a 3 year old child to decide where they want to retire when they turn 75 years old.

That's not a choice. That's a guess.




What contact email actually reaches someone who will respond? Do you know one? I sure don't.

This conversation is like asking a two year old to pick a single piece of candy!

Your desire to respec ad-nauseum will do nothing but unbalance the game for everyone. MinMaxing is a bad policy and the only reason I could truely see for you to want to continually tweak the system is to find loopholes and exploits. I don't need guys like you ruining my good time.

Oh and by the way, I've been reading your other posts. Not a single original or divergent thought has been produced by you, my friend. Perhaps you should attempt to couch your argument in some semblance of intelligence.

There is actually a suggestion thread where you can submit your idea or lack there of for consideration. Give it a try! ;)

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I am still running with my original two powers, hoping suddenly get a surge in earnings before 10. I have already seen my initial stat selection drop off the back end even though I have not taken any of my choices. Following this pattern, I will loose the ability to reset my energy builder at 10 and power gauntlet at 11. This is occuring even though I have made 0 choices.

This is absolutely brutal.

Surely SOMEONE high up at Cryptic understands that the majority of gamers do NOT want to be locked into their choices and unable to change them.

Ugh. This is absolutely brutal.

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This conversation is like asking a two year old to pick a single piece of candy!
Or even worse, a two year old wanting to change his mind about playing toys from the toy box! If he paid admission for the toy box! If two year olds had money! And could speak! I'm bad with analogies!

Your desire to respec ad-nauseum will do nothing but unbalance the game for everyone. MinMaxing is a bad policy
Stop with the faulty logic. If someone cares enough to "min/max", they will do it from creation. They will research specs and DPS vs. DPE and have everything lined up before they ever create a character. Preventing respecs does nothing to prevent powergamers from minmaxing, because if they care enough they'll reroll. All this does is stop casual people from playing with powers and changing their minds later. That's it.

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reroll. its free. an hour played time in an mmo? nothing. suck it up or continue whining. *shrug*

I get paid $31.25 an hour. Should I bill you for my time every time I have to reroll an alt and level it back up to the previous level? 40 hours, 41.25/hr. Lets see... If I loose 40 hours due to multiple re-rolls, you're going to pay me the $1250.00 right?

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Stop with the faulty logic. If someone cares enough to "min/max", they will do it from creation. They will research specs and DPS vs. DPE and have everything lined up before they ever create a character. Preventing respecs does nothing to prevent powergamers from minmaxing, because if they care enough they'll reroll. All this does is stop casual people from playing with powers and changing their minds later. That's it.

100% truth.

Honestly, anyone with even a shred of basic gaming knowledge understands this.

Respecs have NOTHING to do with powergaming. Powergamers do not need respecs.

Respecs are about flexibility, creativity, and letting people ENJOY their choices rather than stress out about them.

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Cambios, you enjoying yourself will unbalance this game and ruin everyone's good time. We can't have that.

If anything, "no respecs" caters directly to mixmaxers. It gives them an automatic edge over everyone else, because they're the zealots who will reroll from scratch to eke out two more DPS.

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Ned, Minmaxers tend to plan their characters in advance. There is already character builders out there to help them do this. Respecs or lack thereof doesnt matter all that much to them.

The presence of respeccing in game doesnt hurt you. You can choose to never use it, thats fine.
What it does is give more flexibility to try powers outside the powerhouse.

One very easy example. I wanted to test the travelpower Rocket Jump. Inside the powerhouse its hard to tell if its good or not because i keep slamming my head in the roof and of course there are no aggro mobs. So i go outside, do a couple of missions and decide that rocket jump is not for me. And so i respecced to a travel power that i enjoy more.

This is no longer possible in the game.

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Cambios, you enjoying yourself will unbalance this game and ruin everyone's good time. We can't have that.

If anything, "no respecs" caters directly to mixmaxers. It gives them an automatic edge over everyone else, because they're the zealots who will reroll from scratch to eke out two more DPS.

Uh, this seems like the two paragraphs are inherently contradictory. Cambios was arguing in favor of having respecs, which you state will ruin everyones good time.

Then you say no respecs caters directly to minmaxers.

If you look at opposite of that sentance you get something roughly like "respecs directly harm minmaxers"

Everyone's argument against respecs is that the minmaxers will have a field day with it!

You just said that full respecs will harm the minmaxers, which is a GOOD thing for everyone!

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Batou, that's because my first sentence was drenched in sarcasm sauce.

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Batou, that's because my first sentence was drenched in sarcasm sauce.

Ahhh, I couldn't tell that from the way it was written. Unfortunately written communication doesn't have the ability to convey the tone of voice that would indicate such sarcasm.

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Cambios, you enjoying yourself will unbalance this game and ruin everyone's good time. We can't have that.


I know, right? The idea of spending money on a game and actually expecting to ENJOY it rather than have homework is amazing, huh? I'm old. I don't remember how to do homework. :)



If anything, "no respecs" caters directly to mixmaxers. It gives them an automatic edge over everyone else, because they're the zealots who will reroll from scratch to eke out two more DPS.

This is self evident to people who think this through.

Respecs are not a min/maxer powergamer issue. Min/maxing powergamers don't need respecs. They plan it out in advance, and have no problem rerolling to squeeze out 1% more power.

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Ned, Minmaxers tend to plan their characters in advance. There is already character builders out there to help them do this. Respecs or lack thereof doesnt matter all that much to them.


Why can't they understand this?


The presence of respeccing in game doesnt hurt you. You can choose to never use it, thats fine. What it does is give more flexibility to try powers outside the powerhouse.


Why can't they understand this?

A lot of these posters sound like smart people. Are they trolling? Are they being deliberately contrary? It doesn't make sense. This is not complicated.

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We're gathering this feedback now and will let the devs know.

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Yeah, this is pretty important considering the way the respec is limited to your last "x" picks. You hit a certain point and you are effectively stuck with your choices and bad choices in Champs can impact a char enough to need to reroll.

This needs to get fixed fast or we need a method to full respec.

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We're gathering this feedback now and will let the devs know.

Thanks, cause we were told to use the respec system as a work around for the IC issue and now no character can possibly afford it.

What happened to the first free respec when you went to the powerhouse the first time?

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This is absolutely brutal.

Surely SOMEONE high up at Cryptic understands that the majority of gamers do NOT want to be locked into their choices and unable to change them.

Ugh. This is absolutely brutal.

Yay, at 90% through level 9 I pulled a quest with a reletively high value item as a reward. This plus selling off most of my equiped gear allowed my to respec out of power gauntlet into eyebeams. :D

In my opinion they either need to reduce the 1 - 10 respec costs, or allow players to choose from ALL legal power choices during character creation.

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I see what some people mean about how the respec system needs to be restrictive...but come on this is ridiculous

At level 10 I am wanting to respec in order to respec out my second power choice.

In order to respec out the power, i must spend 194s.....

really?really? this is overkill. At lvl 10 i only have 20s.

I have also resorted to not picking anymore powers otherwise the cost will go up.

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We're gathering this feedback now and will let the devs know.

Thank you.

This has really made opening day an unpleasant experience thus far.

Never thought I'd hate myself for experimenting.

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We're gathering this feedback now and will let the devs know.

Thank you.

This is really ruining the game at the moment. It is basically unplayable.

This really needs to be hotfixed asap. The head start is basically feeling like a beta. :(

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heh, I actually levelled by selling the items I had so I could pay for the respec. Sold enough to give me the "Well-to-do" perk and the xp from that lticked me over the line to level 7.

I think I'll just walk awy for a few hours and see if they are going to change anything before wasting my time trying again/

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heh, I actually levelled by selling the items I had so I could pay for the respec. Sold enough to give me the "Well-to-do" perk and the xp from that lticked me over the line to level 7.

I think I'll just walk awy for a few hours and see if they are going to change anything before wasting my time trying again/

lol same here man

Im just sitting in the powerhouse waiting for them to fix this.

That or i need a way to come up with 174s at level 10....

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We've confirmed this is a bug we'll be addressing.

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Thanks so much for the reply. Any idea when you'll be addressing it? The power I want to respec is about to fall off my list if I level another time or two. Hoping it'll be fixed soon.

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We've confirmed this is a bug we'll be addressing.

Thank you. This is a huge relief.

The costs are 15-20 times too high right now.

Please make sure the devs understand that customization becomes a curse rather than a boon when it is difficult to undo, redo, and tweak things.

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We've confirmed this is a bug we'll be addressing.

Good to hear.

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Thanks so much for the reply. Any idea when you'll be addressing it? The power I want to respec is about to fall off my list if I level another time or two. Hoping it'll be fixed soon.

"Soon".

Wish we had a better response, but I don't know the complexities of the bug at the moment.

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We've confirmed this is a bug we'll be addressing.

Thank you

(10 char)

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"Soon".

Wish we had a better response, but I don't know the complexities of the bug at the moment.

Totally understandable. :)

Thank you VERY much for the information. Just knowing this is going to be fixed soon at least lets me know there is a point in even trying to play tonight.

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In the same boat as everyone else. I have power down the tree that I need to swap and I can't do anything until that happens.

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I dont totally understand. I know there is a issue with respecs being really, really expensive...but what about the issue of not being able to fully respec back to level 1 powers?

I am 13 and realized that I picked the wrong superstat for my first stat and wanted to change it but I can only go back like 8 powers. Is this normal or a bug?

Basically I would like confirmation on this: Are we supposed to have the ability to completely respec and rechoose our beginning powers or are we stuck with "only the last 8 powers/skills/advantages/talents"?

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there's also a seriously low amount of resources dropping from mobs and quests. did you forget to increase those again after the little xp and resource experiment in open beta?

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I dont totally understand. I know there is a issue with respecs being really, really expensive...but what about the issue of not being able to fully respec back to level 1 powers?

I am 13 and realized that I picked the wrong superstat for my first stat and wanted to change it but I can only go back like 8 powers. Is this normal or a bug?

Basically I would like confirmation on this: Are we supposed to have the ability to completely respec and rechoose our beginning powers or are we stuck with "only the last 8 powers/skills/advantages/talents"?

The system is designed to let you go back 10 spaces, but there is something with the early powers or stats that is a little kludged right now. The devs talked about it at the end of beta.

Someone else here knows the specifics.

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So far the repec is more leanent than other mmo's. I cant think of one that gives you the try before you buy power, meaning take power go try out, switch, try another all day long before leaving PH. They do need full respecs earned or purchased since you lose the ability to respec powers down on bottom of list that dissappear. Cryptic will do us right. They said they are working on it. Knowing them they will fix and offer a free respec to make up for it.

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I dont totally understand. I know there is a issue with respecs being really, really expensive...but what about the issue of not being able to fully respec back to level 1 powers?

I am 13 and realized that I picked the wrong superstat for my first stat and wanted to change it but I can only go back like 8 powers. Is this normal or a bug?

Basically I would like confirmation on this: Are we supposed to have the ability to completely respec and rechoose our beginning powers or are we stuck with "only the last 8 powers/skills/advantages/talents"?

You are definitely right that this is a HUGE problem and a flaw in the game. You are supposed to be able to go back 10, but that is even broken.

But that limitation itself is bad design imho. You should read this article: Champions Online Will Fail Without a Full Respec Option (http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/articles/47085.aspx)

I think the developers will eventually come around on this issue, and improve the single respec functionality as well as implement a full respec option via some method. It is really the only logical and reasonable way to go in a game with this level of speccing and customization. I just hope they do so sooner rather than later. :)

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I'm wondering if "soon" means "sometime tonight", because if not, it would indeed be faster to just restart from scratch. I'm trying not to be to impatient, but I'm getting tired of waiting when I could just start over and be back where I'm at in a few hours. Of course, as soon as I do that, it'll be fixed.

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The respec cost atm is just a joke seriously... By lvl 7 to even respec one power it cost 14,67 for my cheapest /newest skill. All i wanted to do is pull out my second power choice and replace with a useful one but i have only made7.45 resources so far. Meaning my total income to lvl 7 is just barely half the cost to respec one skil and every time i lvl the cost goes up faster than i am making money, so it is becoming more and more out of reach. When i first wanted to respec at lvl 5 it was like 4.50 and had about 4.20 on me but by the time i had 4.50 i was lvl 6 and it was out of reach again.

This is nuts, i have actually abandoned my favorite character and build because it used that respec in its build to get rid of the second power. If i lvl it to much by "sucking it up and waiting for a fix" my toon will be outside the limit and not able to respec that option anymore.

So i have to go work on another build from another powerpool that actually has a secondary skill i want.

I know the respecs were too cheap before, tripling the cost would have been fine, you woudl barely be able to afford it but you could if you wanted too, this current systems seems like it was put in place to eliminate respecs at early lvl and remove them from anyone except alts who can send money to thermselves at early lvl

Please fix this asap, quick code change and restart immediately please.

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I'm wondering if "soon" means "sometime tonight", because if not, it would indeed be faster to just restart from scratch. I'm trying not to be to impatient, but I'm getting tired of waiting when I could just start over and be back where I'm at in a few hours. Of course, as soon as I do that, it'll be fixed.

yeah i am just putting that toon on hold and making another one

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I'm wondering if "soon" means "sometime tonight", because if not, it would indeed be faster to just restart from scratch. I'm trying not to be to impatient, but I'm getting tired of waiting when I could just start over and be back where I'm at in a few hours. Of course, as soon as I do that, it'll be fixed.

It will not be tonight. That much I know, because I just posted the patch notes for tonight's patch.

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It will not be tonight. That much I know, because I just posted the patch notes for tonight's patch.

Wow. That's pretty lame. We can only respec back 10 "choices," and they borked the respec costs right before head-start. So basically, if you want to respec one of the zero level powers you are forced to take at character creation, you either need to make an alt and powerlevel so you can get some cash and transfer it to your main character, or you get to stop levelling your character until the problem is fixed, which may well cost you the chance to to get the head-start perks on your main.

/facepalm

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Wow. That's pretty lame. We can only respec back 10 "choices," and they borked the respec costs right before head-start. So basically, if you want to respec one of the zero level powers you are forced to take at character creation, you either need to make an alt and powerlevel so you can get some cash and transfer it to your main character, or you get to stop levelling your character until the problem is fixed, which may well cost you the chance to to get the head-start perks on your main.

/facepalm


Maybe the will fix the problem and at that point then reset everyone's characters so they can rebuild.

Maybe they won't do that, but that is the assumption I am going on for now, and I am not worried about it either way.

They are working on it. If you are worried about it then play an alt until they can get a fix in.

Would you prefer they rush out a fix that could cause other problems or not work properly, or do you want them to get a fix that works and helps remedy the situation?

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well atleast they are working on it, instead of saying, thats how it is from now on ;)
I had to punk a friend whom I was playing with to get enough cash to respec, granted I had to use 2 powers until lvl 11 and bought flight so I could get around, twice the price to respec ouch :P

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Maybe the will fix the problem and at that point then reset everyone's characters so they can rebuild.

Maybe they won't do that, but that is the assumption I am going on for now, and I am not worried about it either way.

They are working on it. If you are worried about it then play an alt until they can get a fix in.

Would you prefer they rush out a fix that could cause other problems or not work properly, or do you want them to get a fix that works and helps remedy the situation?
Ditto mate. I don't think there is any point in waiting - I don't think cryptic would leave us stranded out at sea ;)

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Oh well. I went ahead and deleted/restarted anyway. At least I know it won't be fixed in 10 mins now that I did it.

Thanks for the response at least, Daeke.

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Maybe the will fix the problem and at that point then reset everyone's characters so they can rebuild.

Maybe they won't do that, but that is the assumption I am going on for now, and I am not worried about it either way.

They are working on it. If you are worried about it then play an alt until they can get a fix in.

Would you prefer they rush out a fix that could cause other problems or not work properly, or do you want them to get a fix that works and helps remedy the situation?

My preference, actually, is that they make these kinds of changes in beta rather than at release time when they might mess things up, or that they offer full-respec options from the get-go. Barring those two, that they inform us that they will be offering a one-time full respec to everyone when the bug is fixed. :D

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So basically, if you want to respec one of the zero level powers you are forced to take at character creation, you either need to make an alt and powerlevel so you can get some cash and transfer it to your main character, or...

You can't mail money right now, and characters that are done with the Crisis zones can't ever return, so you'll need a LOT of resources to give to a friend, who can then transfer them to your post-crisis character. Every level you increase raises the cost, though, and if you level up too much the level zero one you want to respec will drop off the radar....

Really hoping this gets fixed tomorrow, and glad I had a couple characters I was interested in playing, one of who doesn't need to respec out of the second power.

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You can't mail money right now, and characters that are done with the Crisis zones can't ever return, so you'll need a LOT of resources to give to a friend, who can then transfer them to your post-crisis character. Every level you increase raises the cost, though, and if you level up too much the level zero one you want to respec will drop off the radar....

Really hoping this gets fixed tomorrow, and glad I had a couple characters I was interested in playing, one of who doesn't need to respec out of the second power.

Is there a mail terminal in the crisis ? I think there is one next to the teleporter, so you could mail items for sale if there is a terminal.

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It will not be tonight. That much I know, because I just posted the patch notes for tonight's patch.

So are we all going to get a free spec added or what?

This is pretty much gimping every character I'm making, and going through the tutorial 8 times is not exactly a "head start weekend."

More like a "beat your head against a wall weekend." :)

Thanks for keeping us updated, Daeke!

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The admin posted yesterday in-game that they were aware of prices to respec being too high, and were going to adjust them accordingly.

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It will not be tonight. That much I know, because I just posted the patch notes for tonight's patch.

Where did you post them, because I'm looking for the patch notes for the most recent patch (0100 on 29 AUG 09) and I'm seeing nothing.

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When this gets fixed we all better darn well get a COMPLETE respec.

TOTALLY unfair to have people who played in Headstart be the ones with gimped characters because we couldn't repsec. And if a GM tells me I shouldn't have levelled until it was fixed.. well i'll be pretty steaming.

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This 10 choice limit is bull****, and it's becoming blatantly obvious with these respec costs. I'm not even able to play the freakin' game right now because I need to change my Super Stat choice, I can't afford the respecs for it, and if I leave the powerhouse and earn the resources needed I may not be able to change my Super Stat anymore when I come back (it's already near the very bottom of my options).

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It will not be tonight. That much I know, because I just posted the patch notes for tonight's patch.

Will there be a free respec to salve the frustration of people who outlevelled the ability to pay for a respec because the costs were appropriate for someone many levels higher?

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When this gets fixed we all better darn well get a COMPLETE respec.

TOTALLY unfair to have people who played in Headstart be the ones with gimped characters because we couldn't repsec. And if a GM tells me I shouldn't have levelled until it was fixed.. well i'll be pretty steaming.

Without a doubt. 100% agreement.


This 10 choice limit is bull****, and it's becoming blatantly obvious

Agreed. One thing this is showing is how the 10 choice limit is not even CLOSE to sufficient.

Most people didn't notice because they stayed around level 10 in the beta, not wanting to spoil the surprise of future content, and not wanting to waste too much time lvling up.

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This 10 choice limit is bull****, and it's becoming blatantly obvious with these respec costs. I'm not even able to play the freakin' game right now because I need to change my Super Stat choice, I can't afford the respecs for it, and if I leave the powerhouse and earn the resources needed I may not be able to change my Super Stat anymore when I come back (it's already near the very bottom of my options).

My main character is level 20 right now.

When I go to the powerhouse to respec, there are only 4 things I can respec:

3 stat choices, and 1 power.

That's it.

The cheapest power costs 3g 84s 78 c (or 38,478 resources).

Having sold tons of loot over time, I currently have 35,515.

So not only is it still grossly unaffordable, but there is barely anything I can respec, and I can only respec back *1* power.

The system in place right now is broken in every which way.

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I'm level 25, and all the gold I've earned so far can't afford me to respec 1 power.

The worst part is, as I level, the cost for the respec of power goes up, so I'll never be able to respec it.

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I'm level 25, and all the gold I've earned so far can't afford me to respec 1 power.

The worst part is, as I level, the cost for the respec of power goes up, so I'll never be able to respec it.

Yup. I have the same issue.

It really is quite shocking that they have left it broken for 3 days now. :(

So much for a head start.

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It will not be tonight. That much I know, because I just posted the patch notes for tonight's patch.


Patch notes where? I've been searching and I see nothing.

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Patch notes where? I've been searching and I see nothing.

I haven't seen any either.

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I agree that the cost to respec is too high early.

They changed it sometime during open beta because the first couple days of open beta I was able to respec out a single character about 3 times while between levels 6-9, then suddenly I couldn't afford to respec even 2 powers on my other characters of the same level. I even sold off all of my gear. What made it harder was I would spend forever killing mobs looking for a drop of some kind to sell....i ended up leveling up and suddenly every skill cost an additional 6 silver to respec.

At the very least characters should be able to easily afford to respec when they get out of the tutorial so if you didn't like the power you picked in the beginning you can respec and test in the powerhouse without having to go all the way through the tutorial again.

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I didn't read the whole thread but I saw a LOT of people who don't understand what's going on.

The respec costs scale with level. They are drastically broken at the moment. This is not a low level problem. None of you will EVER be able to afford to respec at ANY level. The only time you'll be able to scrounge up the money for it will be level 40 after you've been grinding for a long long while.

This is the correct answer.

I bugged this in game and included exact respec costs but by lvl 12 it would have cost me literally 20 times more currency than I had made. Let me repeat, TWENTY times more. And that was after selling off all my junk items.

I haven't bothered even looking at what the costs are at lvl 19 but I know that they are into 1G+ just to respec out of your last power and i only HAVE about 1.5G after spending money on crafting.

So either the Respec costs are completely out of whack or resource drops are. One of these needs to be adjusted.

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Has it been stated anywhere so far that all headstart customers/players will be given a full free respec upon the retail release?

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woow, played open beta a bit, could respec as much as i wanted, and loved it because i changed my mind all the time.

Today i wanted to respec for first time at lvl 10, HOLY MOLY 24silver to respec the first power and i only got 8.

Very lame, and i hope it gets changed soon.

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I had the same problem. After looking at a few Power Armor posts, everyone recommended dropping the power gauntlet for chest beam. Problem is, I couldn't get enough money to respec out of power gauntlet. The more I tried to get money to get it, the more expensive it got. Now it isn't even an option to get rid of.