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04-28-2011, 03:54 AM
I have some doubt choosing a power, so maybe you could help me.


Demolish, Burning Chi Fist, Haymaker.

I will expose the reasons i found to pick one or another, givme and advise please.



Demolish:

Damage debuff (dunno if the adv of extra debuff based on charge is worth of)
T2
Full Charge is Faster than haymaker and does more damage than Burning Chi.



Haymaker

Best charge damage of the 3
Best Tap Energy cost
Pretty interesting ADV



Burning Chi Fist

Way faster Charge of the 3
Best Charge energy cost
Best Tap Damage
Does DOT on full charge
(dunno if the adv is worth of...)



If im not wrong Burning Chi got the best DPS of all the 3 and is, on start, my preference. What do you think?

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04-28-2011, 04:25 AM
How do you figure Burning Chi Fist (http://www.champions-online-wiki.com/wiki/Burning_Chi_Fist) has better DPS than Haymaker (http://www.champions-online-wiki.com/wiki/Haymaker)?
Don't forget that Haymaker has a huge knockback with associated falling damage, and that it applies Enraged.
I never liked Demolish (http://www.champions-online-wiki.com/wiki/Demolish), but YMMV.

I'd go with Haymaker.

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04-28-2011, 05:29 AM
How do you figure Burning Chi Fist (http://www.champions-online-wiki.com/wiki/Burning_Chi_Fist) has better DPS than Haymaker (http://www.champions-online-wiki.com/wiki/Haymaker)?
Don't forget that Haymaker has a huge knockback with associated falling damage, and that it applies Enraged.
I never liked Demolish (http://www.champions-online-wiki.com/wiki/Demolish), but YMMV.

I'd go with Haymaker.

my calculation is simple: how much damage they do on the max charge, how much time they need to get this max charge, and then, how max charges they need to get concrete damage.

Ye I know it got knockback (that drops oponnent faar away) but also, chi burning fist, got DOT. I didnt put any of the two in the numbers.

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04-28-2011, 05:41 AM
I've ran with all of those at one point or another and my favorite by far, was Haymaker.

Demolish and Burning Chi Fist are both energy hogs and the latter was the one that benefited the most from being charged.

As far as straight damage is concerned, Haymaker is better, as it can at least be tapped consistently; I rarely find myself charging anything beyond Havoc Stomp anymore, due to how often I get knocked back or held on a regular basis.

Still, Uppercut is better than any of those if you have energy issues, as it is cheap enough to be spammed to your heart's content.

Anyway, the build I'm currently running uses both Demolish and Eruption as my main attacks, so pot, kettle...

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04-28-2011, 06:04 AM
Demolish should not be your main DPS attack. Use it to apply the debuff, then followup with your DPS.

Between Burning Chi Fist and Haymaker it comes down to if you want to knock your opponent away or not. I usually don't like knockbacks, as it forces me to run after stuff. Haymaker would make the better finisher and probably better DPS vs Supervillain and higher though.

I wouldn't take the DOT advantage on Burning Chi Fist unless you have a synergy with other paranormal powers.

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04-28-2011, 06:49 AM
Demolish should not be your main DPS attack. Use it to apply the debuff, then followup with your DPS.


Yep - tap Demolish, then follow up with either Haymaker taps/charge or BCF.

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04-28-2011, 08:11 AM
Based on raw damage, Burning Chi Fist DPS > Demolish DPS > Haymaker DPS. Burning Chi Fist is also the most energy efficient. This is plainly obvious from testing or even reading tooltips. Depending on your boost from Unstoppable, you may be able to get fully-charged Demolish and Haymaker to exceed Burning Chi Fist (but on tap Burning Chi Fist always wins), since the DoT aspect is not boosted by the passive. And Haymaker is more energy efficient than Demolish, so depending on your energy management, Haymaker DPS may exceed Demolish DPS in the long run.

However, even if you did manage to get Haymaker's DPS to exceed Demolish, Demolish w/ the debuff will be better than Haymaker without the debuff, so always take Demolish over Haymaker if you are picking one of the two.

The optimal DPS sequence against normal content is typically going to be full charge Demolish w/ Advantage followed by full charge Burning Chi Fist. Against scaled content, where the enemies typically have a dodge buff, you probably want to tap Demolish R3, followed by full charge Burning Chi Fist, followed by tapped Burning Chi Fists. One the debuff and the DoT wear off, repeat.