Archetypes & Ranks

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According to the FAQ:

When you play a Archetype, you don't choose which abilities you acquire over time; instead, you advance similarly to class-based RPGs.

Now does abilites mean 'powers' or 'powers & ranks.' Curious if they'll still be able to control which of their powers are more powerful than others. I would think at least giving that amount of control would be nice. If it's simply a level and play with absolutely no control...what fun is that?

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Ranks are controlled with Advantage Points. So, If you play an Archetype you control the rank of the powers you get.

"Abilities" means "Powers" here.

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Ranks are controlled with Advantage Points. So, If you play an Archetype you control the rank of the powers you get.

"Abilities" means "Powers" here.

So you earn Advantage points, as normal, and get to spend those in the PH, as normal - You just don't earn Power Points, they get bought for you. Correct?

What about Talents?

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Ranks are controlled with Advantage Points. So, If you play an Archetype you control the rank of the powers you get.

"Abilities" means "Powers" here.Does the quote in OP mean that once you choose an Archetype, you have ZERO say in what your next power is? No choice in travel power ever?

I'd be ok with, for example, getting only a choice between 2 (or 3 :D ) powers within the Archetype, but forcing a power choice, even within an Archetype, seems... crippling.

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Yeah, advantage points...for some reason I always call 'em ranks. LOL But good choice there. At least there'll be some variety with the silver members that gold members play with.

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I'd say the powers will be chosen for you, based on the Archetype you choose (Blade Archetype = single blade framework, getting a mix of what's available there, but pre-chosen).

However, advantage points and talents will be available for you to spend normally, including travel powers (just restricted to "normal" travel powers, and not "Gold Travel Powers", which are things like Fire Flight, Earth Flight, etc).

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You will choose talents, travel power, advantages, etc, but you won't choose regular powers.

Also note that the powers in an Archetype don't necessarily all come from the same framework.

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You will choose talents, travel power, advantages, etc, but you won't choose regular powers.

Also note that the powers in an Archetype don't necessarily all come from the same framework.Thanks for the answer, but that sort of makes it worse.

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yep, bad idea, bad plan.
CO without free power choice = R.I.P CO....again

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yep, bad idea, bad plan.
CO without free power choice = R.I.P CO....again

I dunno. It'll depend on how intelligently the archetypes are constructed. And it will definitely take a lot of the confusion out for new players. A transitional period, as it were.

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yep, bad idea, bad plan.
CO without free power choice = R.I.P CO....again

Except that this would only affect people who will not be paying anything, unless they choose to buy stuff in the C-Store.

The only drawback is people going from Gold to Silver, because losing the custom stuff and extra slots etc isn't worth it to them, but IMHO people who just don't care all that much about only having the 1 bag, 1 costume, 2 characters and no power selection probably would have let their subs laps shortly anyway. Is it possible we'll lose some subs? Very. But it's just as possible that some people will try F2P, see everyone else running around will cool stuff they can't get/do, and choose to sub up, or at the very least, buy some more stuff in the C-Store. Optimistic? Yeah. But just as possible as the lost subs option.


-Pi

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yep, bad idea, bad plan.
CO without free power choice = R.I.P CO....again

CO will still have free power choice. Players will just have to choose to partake of it.

The FtP accounts will have every bit as much character customization in CO as my cousin who doesnt pay to play CO now does.

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CO will still have free power choice.

Not according to Dev statements.
Players will just have to choose to partake of it.
Most people do not consider money a choice.

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Except that this would only affect people who will not be paying anything, unless they choose to buy stuff in the C-Store.

The only drawback is people going from Gold to Silver, because losing the custom stuff and extra slots etc isn't worth it to them, but IMHO people who just don't care all that much about only having the 1 bag, 1 costume, 2 characters and no power selection probably would have let their subs laps shortly anyway. Is it possible we'll lose some subs? Very. But it's just as possible that some people will try F2P, see everyone else running around will cool stuff they can't get/do, and choose to sub up, or at the very least, buy some more stuff in the C-Store. Optimistic? Yeah. But just as possible as the lost subs option.


-Pi

with all the stuff you can already buy from the Cstore + the parts that are gonna be added, they should at least not remove the custom part.
i really don't mind the Cstore as long as the game is F2P, shortly this is going to happen and it should be the main income.
the chosen fee we will get should give ppl access to the rest of the game, gold costumes and the sort.
just removing the whole custom part is like removing the CCS from CoX, they will remove 4/5 of the game's shine from the start.

IMO expanding the demo to the crisis would have bin a 10X better step then this, it at least doesn't remove the fun part.

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with all the stuff you can already buy from the Cstore + the parts that are gonna be added, they should at least not remove the custom part.
i really don't mind the Cstore as long as the game is F2P, shortly this is going to happen and it should be the main income.
the chosen fee we will get should give ppl access to the rest of the game, gold costumes and the sort.
just removing the whole custom part is like removing the CCS from CoX, they will remove 4/5 of the game's shine from the start.

IMO expanding the demo to the crisis would have bin a 10X better step then this, it at least doesn't remove the fun part.

So your complaining that when champs does go free to play and you downgrade that you won't be able to have everything you have now but for free?

The decision makes sense to me.

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So your complaining that when champs does go free to play and you downgrade that you won't be able to have everything you have now but for free?

The decision makes sense to me.

no the point is simple, i payed for the game for a whole year already, the new free players never payed a dime.
there should be compensation for that, even if i decide not to pay the fee, i still payed more then any free players did.

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no the point is simple, i payed for the game for a whole year already, the new free players never payed a dime.
there should be compensation for that, even if i decide not to pay the fee, i still payed more then any free players did.

Greedy people are greedy.

Really? You paid for their services. You knew good and well what you were paying for when you did so. The new players can pay just as easily as you paid then. If you stop paying who's fault is that? The whole point of pigeon holing the silver accounts is simply to make them want to subscribe. It's a brilliant tactic by the marketing team and I feel is going to build CO an even stronger player base.

Basically if you stopped playing a month ago before you knew about this would you have demanded compensation then? I doubt it. Be thankful for what you have not greedy for what you want. Apparently everyone these days wants something more for less.

*holds tongue before he brings up politics in his happy thread*

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no the point is simple, i payed for the game for a whole year already, the new free players never payed a dime.
there should be compensation for that, even if i decide not to pay the fee, i still payed more then any free players did.
You did get compensated. You got to play the game. The new players didn't. If playing the game wasn't enough compensation for the money you were putting down... Why were you paying the money in the first place?

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So on a happier note my wife agreed to let me play for 30 mins a day. :D It's not much but it's better than nothin'. hehe



No arguing in my happy thread.

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oops that was meant to be an edit

:rolleyes:

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Greedy people are greedy.

Really? You paid for their services. You knew good and well what you were paying for when you did so. The new players can pay just as easily as you paid then. If you stop paying who's fault is that? The whole point of pigeon holing the silver accounts is simply to make them want to subscribe. It's a brilliant tactic by the marketing team and I feel is going to build CO an even stronger player base.

Basically if you stopped playing a month ago before you knew about this would you have demanded compensation then? I doubt it. Be thankful for what you have not greedy for what you want. Apparently everyone these days wants something more for less.

*holds tongue before he brings up politics in his happy thread*

no MR lifer, you are not getting a monthly 500CP
......what, you seriously think i would not know?

btw, i payed for the game the way it's currently, stripping that way is removing that what i payed for.
i can totally understand some restrictions like adventure packs, character slots, costume packs, etc...
this, however, is removing a part of my purchased item thus not holding too the promise of payment.
what the box art tells is what the game has to deliver, now they remove just that what i payed for.
also, the monthly fee is service, the game it self still needs to be bought and guess what, that's the game without it's service, just the game.

as i said before, no custom powers = R.I.P CO
they strip away what we pay for, they remove just that what makes CO CO and they are not even compensating the current players who want to be silver players.
it's a bad way for advertising, i will certainly not recommend this game if it go's this way.

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no MR lifer...

So that's how we're going to play huh? Technically, I'm still paying my monthly fees. Not to mention I have bought almost 95% of the C-Store items. I've supported this game through and through. It's not my fault that you didn't take advantage of the LTS...they did extend it you know.

Regardless, there will be an influx of subscriptions. One thing I know about human nature is that we all love to keep up with the Joneses. People will flock to the idea of a free game but when they see what they 'could' have they'll subscribe or buy more C-Store items. It's pure genius I say.

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no MR lifer, you are not getting a monthly 500CP
......what, you seriously think i would not know?

btw, i payed for the game the way it's currently, stripping that way is removing that what i payed for.
i can totally understand some restrictions like adventure packs, character slots, costume packs, etc...
this, however, is removing a part of my purchased item thus not holding too the promise of payment.
what the box art tells is what the game has to deliver, now they remove just that what i payed for.
also, the monthly fee is service, the game it self still needs to be bought and guess what, that's the game without it's service, just the game.

as i said before, no custom powers = R.I.P CO
they strip away what we pay for, they remove just that what makes CO CO and they are not even compensating the current players who want to be silver players.
it's a bad way for advertising, i will certainly not recommend this game if it go's this way.

How are they removing what you paid for? You paid for custom power frameworks, you can have custom power frameworks. If you want to continue having custom power frameworks, you continue paying for it.

It's like your cable TV subscription... If you stop paying for it, it goes away.

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as i said before, no custom powers = R.I.P CO
they strip away what we pay for, they remove just that what makes CO CO and they are not even compensating the current players who want to be silver players.
it's a bad way for advertising, i will certainly not recommend this game if it go's this way.

You apparently have no idea how a F2P game works.

The game is FREE to play. If you want to be able to play it how it was intended (picking powers) you give them money. In this case, you give them money to be able to pick powers and such. In other F2P games, you give them money to be able to level up at decent speeds (not a problem in CO), for costumes, etc.

Consider F2P of CO to be a giant extended demo. That's what it is.

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You apparently have no idea how a F2P game works.

The game is FREE to play. If you want to be able to play it how it was intended (picking powers) you give them money. In this case, you give them money to be able to pick powers and such. In other F2P games, you give them money to be able to level up at decent speeds (not a problem in CO), for costumes, etc.

Consider F2P of CO to be a giant extended demo. That's what it is.

more a giant step back to a demo, in the demo custom powers are still there, even if you can't get out of the tut you can still choose your powers.
in this F2P however, not.

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Agreed with F2P being extended demo. Champion's premiere feature is open power system, if they gave that to silver members it would heavily subtract from the attractiveness of gold.

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Agreed with F2P being extended demo. Champion's premiere feature is open power system, if they gave that to silver members it would heavily subtract from the attractiveness of gold.

Absolutely. You gotta get 'em in somehow. But you can't give away the farm.